Average Speed Cams - are people really this thick?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Jasandjules said:

And you can't then drive below the limit to reduce your average because you get lorries RIGHT up your chuff....

How does the lorry behind you effect your ability to drop below the maximum limit? If I found I'd crept up over 50 in a 50 av speed zone, so I wanted to drop down to 45 for a while to be on the safe side, I'd bloody well do it. If the people behind me don't like it, they can ps off.

[Vipers]

Jasandjules said:

Vipers said:

Hmmmmmm, driving at the limit on the indside lane, if the lane is clear, that's where your supposed to be isn't it?

Correct. But the problem is with average cams you can't accelerate to get into a gap...... Rather dangerous really.

I wouldmt have thought a short burst of speed to merge with the flow would make any difference.

[Pete317]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Jasandjules said:

And you can't then drive below the limit to reduce your average because you get lorries RIGHT up your chuff....

How does the lorry behind you effect your ability to drop below the maximum limit? If I found I'd crept up over 50 in a 50 av speed zone, so I wanted to drop down to 45 for a while to be on the safe side, I'd bloody well do it. If the people behind me don't like it, they can ps off.

Unless they had also crept over 50, they wouldn't be right behind you now, would they?
Unless of course you had overtaken them at 50+ only to slot in front of them and slow down - in which case you deserve to have them up your chuff. (not that it's right or that they should, just that you deserve it)

[daytona355]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

How does the lorry behind you effect your ability to drop below the maximum limit? If I found I'd crept up over 50 in a 50 av speed zone, so I wanted to drop down to 45 for a while to be on the safe side, I'd bloody well do it. If the people behind me don't like it, they can ps off.

I've had that before, and one time, the Lorry went to overtake, no problem, although I was on cruise at 55 in the 50, so I figured he was taking a chance. Went alongside me, and then started drifting across, forcing me into the hard shoulder, clearly on purpose. I popped out behind him, and rang plod, er indoors was quick enough to video what happened on her phone. I told the control room, and they were totally uninterested since he hadn't actually hit me. Before you say it, it wasn't a foreign driver either, so, having time in my hands as I'd temporarily retired at the time due to heart attacks, I followed him thru the limit, then carried on quick as I could to his depot in avonmouth.

He was rather shocked when his boss, ashen faced, was giving him a bking, having been in no doubt what I was going to do had he tried to fob me off. Strangely, the DOT visited the firm for a spot check a few days later courtesy of a friend of mine just to make sure they were all legit. What goes around comes around sometimes

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Pete317 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Jasandjules said:

And you can't then drive below the limit to reduce your average because you get lorries RIGHT up your chuff....

How does the lorry behind you effect your ability to drop below the maximum limit? If I found I'd crept up over 50 in a 50 av speed zone, so I wanted to drop down to 45 for a while to be on the safe side, I'd bloody well do it. If the people behind me don't like it, they can ps off.

Unless they had also crept over 50, they wouldn't be right behind you now, would they?
Unless of course you had overtaken them at 50+ only to slot in front of them and slow down - in which case you deserve to have them up your chuff. (not that it's right or that they should, just that you deserve it)

I might decide I want to drive the whole stretch at 40. That's my business. If others don't like it, tough.

[irocfan]

Davidonly said:

irocfan said:

the amount of people I see going on the A127 towards Southend (average scameras for 50 limit) from the A130 interchange onwards breaking for the average speed cameras is staggering.... or actually more often than not not even creaking just going through at (what appears to be) more than 70

wrong speed limit is being applied.....

no argument from me there

[Pete317]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I might decide I want to drive the whole stretch at 40. That's my business. If others don't like it, tough.

Well, I might decide to wait until you're behind me and then slow down to 10mph. That's my business, and if you don't like it, tough.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Pete317 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I might decide I want to drive the whole stretch at 40. That's my business. If others don't like it, tough.

Well, I might decide to wait until you're behind me and then slow down to 10mph. That's my business, and if you don't like it, tough.

Absolutely. I was stuck behind a tractor on a single lane coned off for roadworks recently, for about 4 miles. I couldn't do anything about it and neither could he. Just had to suck it up. That's life.

[Pete317]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Pete317 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I might decide I want to drive the whole stretch at 40. That's my business. If others don't like it, tough.

Well, I might decide to wait until you're behind me and then slow down to 10mph. That's my business, and if you don't like it, tough.

Absolutely. I was stuck behind a tractor on a single lane coned off for roadworks recently, for about 4 miles. I couldn't do anything about it and neither could he. Just had to suck it up. That's life.

In that case the tractor driver had no choice.

But you choose to inconvenience others when you can easily do otherwise.

The world does not revolve around you.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Pete317 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Pete317 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I might decide I want to drive the whole stretch at 40. That's my business. If others don't like it, tough.

Well, I might decide to wait until you're behind me and then slow down to 10mph. That's my business, and if you don't like it, tough.

Absolutely. I was stuck behind a tractor on a single lane coned off for roadworks recently, for about 4 miles. I couldn't do anything about it and neither could he. Just had to suck it up. That's life.

In that case the tractor driver had no choice.

But you choose to inconvenience others when you can easily do otherwise.

The world does not revolve around you.

You were the one suggesting that you should drive at 10mph! 40 mph in a 50 limit is an perfectly acceptable speed to do, if you choose to. 10mph for no reason, not so much.

[Pete317]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

40 mph in a 50 limit is an perfectly acceptable speed to do

Not if nearly everyone else is doing 50 or thereabouts

[rs1952]

Pete317 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

40 mph in a 50 limit is an perfectly acceptable speed to do

Not if nearly everyone else is doing 50 or thereabouts

A few people appear to be having nice little arguments of their own, essentially about nothing, because of this:

Jasandjules said:

But the problem is with average cams you can't accelerate to get into a gap...... Rather dangerous really.

Which in itself suggests that the poster doesn’t understand average speed cameras (the topic of this thread) or how speeding is policed (the topic of many threads on here).

Let’s assume the limit being policed is 50, and everybody is bumper to bumper at an indicated 50.

Firstly, if that is happening then they are all probably doing a little less than 50 due to speedo over-read.

Secondly, the normal threshold for action is limit + 10% + 2, so nobody is likely to get any nice letter from the Chief Constable for anything under 57.

If you are really that concerned that you’ve hit 60 to get into a gap, then slow down to 40 or 45 for a bit to compensate (CBA to do the maths)

Thirdly, regarding “lorries up chuffs,” no lorry driver, even one with exceptionally long legs, will be able to reach your accelerator. Nobody “forces” anybody else to go any faster then they want to

[Jasandjules]

rs1952 said:

Which in itself suggests that the poster doesn’t understand average speed cameras (the topic of this thread) or how speeding is policed (the topic of many threads on here).

I think you may have "missed" the part where I noted that if you subsequently slow down to bring down your average speed you will get a lorry right up your chuff.

[Vipers]

daytona355 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

How does the lorry behind you effect your ability to drop below the maximum limit? If I found I'd crept up over 50 in a 50 av speed zone, so I wanted to drop down to 45 for a while to be on the safe side, I'd bloody well do it. If the people behind me don't like it, they can ps off.

I've had that before, and one time, the Lorry went to overtake, no problem, although I was on cruise at 55 in the 50, so I figured he was taking a chance. Went alongside me, and then started drifting across, forcing me into the hard shoulder, clearly on purpose. I popped out behind him, and rang plod, er indoors was quick enough to video what happened on her phone. I told the control room, and they were totally uninterested since he hadn't actually hit me. Before you say it, it wasn't a foreign driver either, so, having time in my hands as I'd temporarily retired at the time due to heart attacks, I followed him thru the limit, then carried on quick as I could to his depot in avonmouth.

He was rather shocked when his boss, ashen faced, was giving him a bking, having been in no doubt what I was going to do had he tried to fob me off. Strangely, the DOT visited the firm for a spot check a few days later courtesy of a friend of mine just to make sure they were all legit. What goes around comes around sometimes

Unreal isnt it, can you imagine calling plod and saying someone fired a gun at you, "Did he hit you sir", "Well actually the blighter missed", "Sorry sir we arnt interested"........

Good follow up on your part though, well done

[rs1952]

Jasandjules said:

rs1952 said:

Which in itself suggests that the poster doesn’t understand average speed cameras (the topic of this thread) or how speeding is policed (the topic of many threads on here).

I think you may have "missed" the part where I noted that if you subsequently slow down to bring down your average speed you will get a lorry right up your chuff.

I think you may have "missed" this part of my post:

rs1952 said:

Thirdly, regarding “lorries up chuffs,” no lorry driver, even one with exceptionally long legs, will be able to reach your accelerator. Nobody “forces” anybody else to go any faster then they want to

[Devil2575]

Jasandjules said:

Devil2575 said:

Jasandjules said:

Correct. But the problem is with average cams you can't accelerate to get into a gap...... Rather dangerous really.

Why can't you accelerate to get into a gap?

Because you will then exceed the average speed and get points.

And you can't then drive below the limit to reduce your average because you get lorries RIGHT up your chuff....

Yes but what is the margin on the average speed camera? I suspect that there is sufficient margin to allow you to accellerate and break the limit for a short period of time to get into the gap without risk of a ticket.

If you're joining the road have you even been through the first camera yet?

[Devil2575]

Pete317 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Pete317 said:

Yes, except what you have with the average speed cameras is those in the inside lane driving almost bumper to bumper, and unable to move over because of the traffic next to them in L2 - which is also moving bumper to bumper at the limit

Not leaving a decent gap from the vehicle in front is nothing to do with speed limits, cameras or anything else apart from crap driving.

It's funny then that I really only see very much of that kind of crap driving where there are average speed cameras

I suspect that you only see what you want to see.

[Devil2575]

Take a 10 mile stretch of road with average speed cameras and a limit of 50 mph.

If you do 50 mph for 9 miles and 70 mph for 1 mile then you're average speed is 51.5 mph.

Does anyone really think this is going to get you a ticket? A short burst of extra speed on a slip road to get into a gap is really not going to be a problem.

[Boosted LS1]

^ That's where they'll put a mobile speed camera.

[Pete317]

Devil2575 said:

Pete317 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Pete317 said:

Yes, except what you have with the average speed cameras is those in the inside lane driving almost bumper to bumper, and unable to move over because of the traffic next to them in L2 - which is also moving bumper to bumper at the limit

Not leaving a decent gap from the vehicle in front is nothing to do with speed limits, cameras or anything else apart from crap driving.

It's funny then that I really only see very much of that kind of crap driving where there are average speed cameras

I suspect that you only see what you want to see.

I've seldom if ever had any problems entering or exiting motorways under normal conditions.
Where average speed cameras exist - different story.