DVLA giving out our details

DVLA giving out our details

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PAULJ5555

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3,554 posts

175 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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How do the DVLA get away with providing our details to private companies/individuals. The NHS/police don't do it so why the DVLA.

Not sure if this has happened but I would have thought a large motoring group like Piston Heads/RAC/ect would have campaigned to get this stopped, If people can get parliament to discuss MR Trump then why not our privacy.

I would have thought that there would be some EU law to protect our privacy.


Note: I'm all for the police providing details where needed and I don't ever get parking tickets/invoices as I park properly so that's not why I'm asking.


S11Steve

6,374 posts

183 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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It's called a KADOE contract, and has a number of allegedly "tightly controlled" terms and conditions.

Fill yer boots - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
How do the DVLA get away with providing our details to private companies/individuals.
Simple. You agree to allow them to do that, in certain circumstances, by registering yourself as keeper of a motor vehicle.

bigandclever

13,750 posts

237 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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Hasn't this been going on for a decade?

PAULJ5555

Original Poster:

3,554 posts

175 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/dvla_sellin...

Some good info here.

The main question is why do we not campaign to get it stopped.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
How do the DVLA get away with providing our details to private companies/individuals. The NHS/police don't do it so why the DVLA.
Oh, I think you need to look into just what the NHS (and your GP) is about to do with your medical information..............

marshalla

15,902 posts

200 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
How do the DVLA get away with providing our details to private companies/individuals.
The law says they can : http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2742/regul...
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/2742/regul...

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
The main question is why do we not campaign to get it stopped.
Think about it for a minute.

Somebody's car hits yours. They ps off, but you get the plate. You pass the plate to your insurer...
"Sorry, Sir. We can't get the keeper's details from that. Privacy, innit?"

moffat

1,020 posts

224 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
How do the DVLA get away with providing our details to private companies/individuals. The NHS/police don't do it so why the DVLA.

Not sure if this has happened but I would have thought a large motoring group like Piston Heads/RAC/ect would have campaigned to get this stopped, If people can get parliament to discuss MR Trump then why not our privacy.

I would have thought that there would be some EU law to protect our privacy.


Note: I'm all for the police providing details where needed and I don't ever get parking tickets/invoices as I park properly so that's not why I'm asking.
They're not given out without a great deal on due diligence. The DVLA are a nightmare for releasing data and I work within the 'data'industry.

In a lot of cases your data actually positively helps you e.g. validating points / convictions on your license without the insurer having to get you to prove it. Insurers also need to check that they're not insurering banned drivers too.

Not really sure what you are worried about, but believe me the DVLA aren't an issue.



hedgefinder

3,418 posts

169 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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moffat said:
They're not given out without a great deal on due diligence. The DVLA are a nightmare for releasing data and I work within the 'data'industry.

In a lot of cases your data actually positively helps you e.g. validating points / convictions on your license without the insurer having to get you to prove it. Insurers also need to check that they're not insurering banned drivers too.

Not really sure what you are worried about, but believe me the DVLA aren't an issue.
hes right, its the people in the "data" industry you have to watch out for....

PAULJ5555

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3,554 posts

175 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
PAULJ5555 said:
The main question is why do we not campaign to get it stopped.
Think about it for a minute.

Somebody's car hits yours. They pss off, but you get the plate. You pass the plate to your insurer...
"Sorry, Sir. We can't get the keeper's details from that. Privacy, innit?"
You would have to report it to the police and get a crime number the police can provide this to the insurer.

PAULJ5555

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3,554 posts

175 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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Jasandjules said:
PAULJ5555 said:
How do the DVLA get away with providing our details to private companies/individuals. The NHS/police don't do it so why the DVLA.
Oh, I think you need to look into just what the NHS (and your GP) is about to do with your medical information..............
You obviously know so whats happening? Is it giving access to medical records so that companies can pressure us into making med neg claims.


Edited by PAULJ5555 on Tuesday 9th February 14:56

PAULJ5555

Original Poster:

3,554 posts

175 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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moffat said:
They're not given out without a great deal on due diligence. The DVLA are a nightmare for releasing data and I work within the 'data'industry.

In a lot of cases your data actually positively helps you e.g. validating points / convictions on your license without the insurer having to get you to prove it. Insurers also need to check that they're not insurering banned drivers too.

Not really sure what you are worried about, but believe me the DVLA aren't an issue.
I think most people would be happy for insurance to have access as it reduces admin and helps combat crime. Just other companies chasing civil matters.



TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
You would have to report it to the police and get a crime number the police can provide this to the insurer.
<chuckle> Yes, that's a great plan.

Lemme guess - your main beef is that the parking enforcement industry have access?

PAULJ5555

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3,554 posts

175 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
PAULJ5555 said:
You would have to report it to the police and get a crime number the police can provide this to the insurer.
<chuckle> Yes, that's a great plan.

Lemme guess - your main beef is that the parking enforcement industry have access?
As I said I don't have any beef as I park properly and don't get tickets/invoices,
the last ticket I got was about 8-10 years ago.
The question was, wondering why all the others that do have beef on PH, large motoring groups and the likes of peppipoo (SP) do something to get it changed.


Edited by PAULJ5555 on Tuesday 9th February 16:25

deckster

9,630 posts

254 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
As I said I don't have any beef as I park properly and don't get tickets/invoices,
the last ticket I got was about 8-10 years ago.
The question was, wondering why all the others that do have beef on PH, large motoring groups and the likes of peppipoo (SP) do something to get it changed.
Largely because those who 'have beef' are swivel-eyed loons who are too busy adjusting their tinfoil hats to do anything useful.

uknick

880 posts

183 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
You obviously know so whats happening? Is it giving access to medical records so that companies can pressure us into making med neg claims.


Edited by PAULJ5555 on Tuesday 9th February 14:56
A year or so ago all NHS patients were asked if their medical records held at GPs could be used by pharmaceutical companies for research purposes.

You were given the option to opt out. If you don't actively opt out consent is assumed.

Whilst guarantees as to the use of data have been made I don't for minute believe they will honoured as the years pass. Therefore, I opted out.


Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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PAULJ5555 said:
You obviously know so whats happening? Is it giving access to medical records so that companies can pressure us into making med neg claims.
Potentially selling data to private companies. This includes identifying data.

S11Steve

6,374 posts

183 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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deckster said:
Largely because those who 'have beef' are swivel-eyed loons who are too busy adjusting their tinfoil hats to do anything useful.
Or first hand experience of how inherently corrupt the private parking industry is.




This is Liverpool John Lennon Airport, and the entrance to one of the large car parks. See the sign under the billboard, it says "No Stopping" and in small print underneath, something like "£100 charge if you do". The sign further down closer to the barrier is a standard Private Parking sign - usual raft of T&Cs.

To use the car park, you take a ticket at the barrier, and pay on exit. But if there is a queue of cars waiting at the barrier, can you guess what happens?

If you stop to read the terms of the "No Stopping" sign, guess what happens?

This airport, and most railways station car parks are what is referred to as "not relevant land" in accordance with POFA 2012, therefore keeper liability can not be enforced.

This car park is run by Vehicle Control Services/Excel in Sheffield - one of the biggest private parking companies in the UK. They are using Protection of Freedom Act 2012 to obtain and enforce keeper liability at this site. It's been reported to the IPC who are the accredited trade association for VCS/Excel, it was previously reported to the BPA who used to be the ATA, it's been reported to the DVLA, Liverpool JLA are aware of the problem - but nobody is doing anything. POPLA (connected to the BPA) have overturned thousands of appeals for ticket at this site, so VCS moved to the IPC, who operate a sham of an appeals body.

And still, tickets are being issued daily at this location so I can understand why some people consider there to be a conspiracy. Or at best, a lot of fat brown envelopes being passed around.


TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 9th February 2016
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S11Steve said:
Or first hand experience of how inherently corrupt the private parking industry is.




This is Liverpool John Lennon Airport, and the entrance to one of the large car parks. See the sign under the billboard, it says "No Stopping" and in small print underneath, something like "£100 charge if you do". The sign further down closer to the barrier is a standard Private Parking sign - usual raft of T&Cs.

To use the car park, you take a ticket at the barrier, and pay on exit. But if there is a queue of cars waiting at the barrier, can you guess what happens?

If you stop to read the terms of the "No Stopping" sign, guess what happens?

This airport, and most railways station car parks are what is referred to as "not relevant land" in accordance with POFA 2012, therefore keeper liability can not be enforced.

This car park is run by Vehicle Control Services/Excel in Sheffield - one of the biggest private parking companies in the UK. They are using Protection of Freedom Act 2012 to obtain and enforce keeper liability at this site. It's been reported to the IPC who are the accredited trade association for VCS/Excel, it was previously reported to the BPA who used to be the ATA, it's been reported to the DVLA, Liverpool JLA are aware of the problem - but nobody is doing anything. POPLA (connected to the BPA) have overturned thousands of appeals for ticket at this site, so VCS moved to the IPC, who operate a sham of an appeals body.

And still, tickets are being issued daily at this location so I can understand why some people consider there to be a conspiracy. Or at best, a lot of fat brown envelopes being passed around.
Do the double red lines not give you a clue? Do you know what red route marking MEANS? They've been around for 25 years now, so there's no excuse.