Hull speed cameras sites 'picked to make most money'

[daytona355]

Bet there would, speed doesn't cause accidents, people being inattentive or stupid does

[Boosted LS1]

Negative Creep said:

And there wouldn't be any accidents

Pedestrians have accidents and they're just walking ;-) I wonder if in 50 years time there will be pedestrian limits in case Johny falls over and grazes his elbow, lol.

[Jasandjules]

Negative Creep said:

And there wouldn't be any accidents

Not sure if serious or not but I trust not, as I don't think anyone who can actually switch a computer on could otherwise be deficient in brain power to think this.

[giantdefy]

So they are putting cameras where many people are speeding, thus slowing down many and capturing the inatentive, that's what they are for isn't it?

[CrutyRammers]

photosnob said:

CrutyRammers said:

Ah, the old "the law is the law and all laws are good and breaking one law is the same as breaking any other" argument.
Are you suggesting that getting pissed and having a fight on a friday night is equivalent to, say, doing 60 on a bit of 50 dual carriageway? Morally or in terms of the harm caused?

Except no one is saying that. Repeatedly fight in town and you will go to prison. Repeatedly speed and you will lose your ability to legally drive for a bit. If something isn't that bad there is a lower sentence, if it is very bad it has a big sentence.

...which still assumes that the law is always right, and for the common good. Rather than sometimes being set by those with an agenda which is different.

[otolith]

photosnob said:

Disgusting. I've noticed the police doing this more and more recently.

They have started putting policemen outside bars on a friday and saturday night. And they have put loads of police at football matches. All they are interested in is catching people breaking the law and deal with them. It's disgusting and I will be writing to my MP.

I have written to the local council suggesting that they could issue far more fines for spitting if they put cctv in all the local dental surgeries.

[Dave Finney]

giantdefy said:

So they are putting cameras where many people are speeding, thus slowing down many and capturing the inatentive, that's what they are for isn't it?

Well not according to Safer Roads Humber. They are trying to deceive people into believing that speed cameras have reduced casualty rates. The 1st problem that needs addressing is that Safer Roads Humber need to start being honest with their citizens, but how do we get them to do that ... ?

[photosnob]

CrutyRammers said:

...which still assumes that the law is always right, and for the common good. Rather than sometimes being set by those with an agenda which is different.

I entirely agree. 100%. But if I'm going to get worked up and upset then it will be over the criminalising of addicts rather than supporting them, laws against begging rather than giving food and shelter and the unfair treatment of the vulnerable in society. When those issues are dealt with I'll sit down and consider the grave issue of if people should be allowed to drive a bit faster because they fancy it.

[cmaguire]

giantdefy said:

So they are putting cameras where many people are speeding, thus slowing down many and capturing the inatentive, that's what they are for isn't it?

Perhaps they should stop calling them 'Safety Cameras' then.
Or restrict that tag to cameras in urban areas only, where it might actually be on the whole credible.

[Willy Nilly]

20 mph limit on Southend sea front with lovely specs camera to enforce it http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/1427085...Road_closed_after_accident_outside_Adventure_IslandSouthend/ and someone crashes quite well. I use that all of the time as a runner and driver and the piece of road was fine as it was, all they have done is make it worse, much like the did at all of the other sites in town.

[randlemarcus]

PanzerCommander said:

All that jazz said:

He mentions the Daltry Rd flyover as being the most profitable. Whereabouts is the camera? I go over most nights in and out of Hull on Clive Sullivan Way (A63) and never seen one.

Mobile camera van that is often parked just after the Smith and Nephew slip road.

Yup. Definite candidate for a small scattering of caltrops, it's never a police car, only the van.

[All that jazz]

Willy Nilly said:

20 mph limit on Southend sea front with lovely specs camera to enforce it http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/1427085...Road_closed_after_accident_outside_Adventure_IslandSouthend/ and someone crashes quite well. I use that all of the time as a runner and driver and the piece of road was fine as it was, all they have done is make it worse, much like the did at all of the other sites in town.

Good use of police resources in that video.

[Guybrush]

"..The response he got from the safety partnership was, 'Well it makes enough money where it is, why should we move it?' They weren't interested in the casualties, they were interested in the money..."

Something most road users have figured out years ago.

[Audidodat]

I'd expect speed cameras are not just designed to alter behaviour at the sites they're situated, but also more generally across the road network.

One way this can be achieved is targetting areas where the maximum number of drivers will be caught. This enlarged footprint has more impact on wider behaviour, with resultant improvements in KSI stats, than placing cameras only at blackspots where the vast majority of drivers are already compliant.

Always have in my head that to get caught, I have to be breaking the law in the first place, which is nobody's fault but my own.

[Rovinghawk]

Audidodat said:

I'd expect speed cameras are not just designed to alter behaviour at the sites they're situated, but also more generally across the road network.

One way this can be achieved is targetting areas where the maximum number of drivers will be caught. This enlarged footprint has more impact on wider behaviour, with resultant improvements in KSI stats, than placing cameras only at blackspots where the vast majority of drivers are already compliant.

Despite the rules about placing & the propaganda that they reduce injuries at their location?

Are you by any chance a man who was proven to have lied in court about speed cameras?

[4x4Tyke]

All that jazz said:

He mentions the Daltry Rd flyover as being the most profitable. Whereabouts is the camera? I go over most nights in and out of Hull on Clive Sullivan Way (A63) and never seen one.

It is generally not there during rush hour, the traffic is too slow, but typically parks on the verge just past the Daltry Street slip road.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.7329927,-0.35789...

They also ignore the fact the A63 there is a clearway.

Edited by 4x4Tyke on Sunday 14th February 20:04

[Audidodat]

Rovinghawk said:

Despite the rules about placing & the propaganda that they reduce injuries at their location?

Are you by any chance a man who was proven to have lied in court about speed cameras?

Taking such a binary view about each speed camera in isolation is a quick way to miss the wood for the trees.

The only time I've been in a court when speed cameras were discussed, involved me getting a slap on the wrists by some grumpy magistrates. Entirely my own fault. Am I doing it wrong?

[Jasandjules]

Audidodat said:

I'd expect speed cameras are not just designed to alter behaviour at the sites they're situated, but also more generally across the road network.

Your expectation is sadly wide of the mark. They are, and always have been, designed to generate revenue.

[Dave Finney]

Audidodat said:

I'd expect speed cameras are not just designed to alter behaviour at the sites they're situated, but also more generally across the road network.

One way this can be achieved is targetting areas where the maximum number of drivers will be caught. This enlarged footprint has more impact on wider behaviour, with resultant improvements in KSI stats, than placing cameras only at blackspots where the vast majority of drivers are already compliant.

Always have in my head that to get caught, I have to be breaking the law in the first place, which is nobody's fault but my own.

That "area-wide" effect you describe is exactly what the authorities were saying would occur when speed cameras were installed. They even asked the speed camera partnerships to report the reduction in injured people taking up hospital beds in their areas.

When it was found that local hospital admissions were not reducing, and the 1st 10 years of speed cameras saw the worst fatality reductions since the 1950s, the authorities did a U-turn claiming that speed cameras had no area-wide effect at all and that speed cameras cannot have caused the damage.

[Audidodat]

I tend not to pay too much attention to propaganda of any colour.

What I do know is that (especially when driving in unfamiliar areas), the threat of speed cameras contributes to me moderating my speed. I doubt I'm alone in that.

My beef with speed cameras is that they're a jolly good excuse for police forces to reduce spend on traffic officers. Mind you, if Pistonheads had existed in the 80s, no doubt this section would be full of people complaining about coppers behind hedges or in unmarked Granadas, and how it was all unfair and about generating cash for the government.

Some things never change!