Hull speed cameras sites 'picked to make most money'

Hull speed cameras sites 'picked to make most money'

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photosnob

1,339 posts

119 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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wc98 said:
really ?
It's about as likely as you being punished for committing most crimes. Most people get away with speeding. Most people get away with shoplifting. Hey most people get away with fighting in town. The chances of being caught, arrested and convicted are slim. But generally eventually you will get unlucky and be caught.

Digby

8,243 posts

247 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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vonhosen said:
tankplanker said:
I greatly prefer traffic police because they can enforce far more than just fines for speeding in a fixed position with a preset approach, its like comparing 111 with a visit to a fully qualified Doctor.
Using other methods/resources to enforce speeding just gives the traffic Police more time to do the other things as it's one less thing for them to do.
What do they do instead?

I hardly see any, ever.

I see dozens upon dozens of unmarked cars every month, though. Not sure what they are up to, but obviously a bit like the black painted 'blend in' red light cameras, they never stop bad motoring habits from happening.

vonhosen

40,249 posts

218 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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Digby said:
vonhosen said:
tankplanker said:
I greatly prefer traffic police because they can enforce far more than just fines for speeding in a fixed position with a preset approach, its like comparing 111 with a visit to a fully qualified Doctor.
Using other methods/resources to enforce speeding just gives the traffic Police more time to do the other things as it's one less thing for them to do.
What do they do instead?

I hardly see any, ever.

I see dozens upon dozens of unmarked cars every month, though. Not sure what they are up to, but obviously a bit like the black painted 'blend in' red light cameras, they never stop bad motoring habits from happening.
They're targeting criminals & their use of the roads.

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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tapereel said:
It makes no sense to place speed cameras where excess speed is not commonly used. I don't understand why anyone feels surprised by that.
Absolutely, if they're placed with revenue raising in mind. Which, obviously, they are.

Otherwise if, for instance, safety was an issue I'd imagine they'd be well placed where accidents more frequently occur even if excess speed is less common at such a site. Conversely they'd be pointless on fast flowing roads with no significant accident risk.

vonhosen

40,249 posts

218 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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0000 said:
tapereel said:
It makes no sense to place speed cameras where excess speed is not commonly used. I don't understand why anyone feels surprised by that.
Absolutely, if they're placed with revenue raising in mind. Which, obviously, they are.

Otherwise if, for instance, safety was an issue I'd imagine they'd be well placed where accidents more frequently occur even if excess speed is less common at such a site. Conversely they'd be pointless on fast flowing roads with no significant accident risk.
Their purpose is to encourage compliance with the speed limit & gather evidence against those who don't comply with it.
There's no point placing them where people are complying with the limit as they would be redundant.

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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Why are they called Safety Camera Partnerships and not Compliance Camera Partnerships then?

vonhosen

40,249 posts

218 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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0000 said:
Why are they called Safety Camera Partnerships and not Compliance Camera Partnerships then?
What I said was what the purpose of a speed camera is.
The partnerships are a different matter, they aren't only about compliance.


Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 16th February 23:13

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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Inanimate objects don't have a purpose, it's the people who put them there that do.

vonhosen

40,249 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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0000 said:
Inanimate objects don't have a purpose, it's the people who put them there that do.
They are designed, built & installed for a purpose.

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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None of which appear to be simply about compliance with a limit.

vonhosen

40,249 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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0000 said:
None of which appear to be simply about compliance with a limit.
I said compliance '&' obtaining evidence against those that don't comply.

rewc

2,187 posts

234 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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vonhosen said:
That's not because of speed cameras though, that's because of budget cuts & priorities.
No the Police were adamant that it was due to the success of the No Excuse campaign that is the Dorset road safety model which includes the camera partnership Dorset Roadsafe.

Audidodat

182 posts

100 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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I'm waiting for someone to explain why it is unfair that drivers who are caught with their pants down, as it were, are charged the published going rate for doing so?

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

113 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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rewc said:
vonhosen said:
That's not because of speed cameras though, that's because of budget cuts & priorities.
No the Police were adamant that it was due to the success of the No Excuse campaign that is the Dorset road safety model which includes the camera partnership Dorset Roadsafe.
You've started that response with a no but nothing that followed contradicted what VH said. It's as if you are responding to a different point.

vonhosen

40,249 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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rewc said:
vonhosen said:
That's not because of speed cameras though, that's because of budget cuts & priorities.
No the Police were adamant that it was due to the success of the No Excuse campaign that is the Dorset road safety model which includes the camera partnership Dorset Roadsafe.
So they have other priorities & they place their resources there.
Priorities are regularly reviewed (they change with time), Policing plans drawn up to address them & resources deployed.

Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 17th February 08:53

0000

13,812 posts

192 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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vonhosen said:
0000 said:
None of which appear to be simply about compliance with a limit.
I said compliance '&' obtaining evidence against those that don't comply.
Or that.

vonhosen

40,249 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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0000 said:
vonhosen said:
0000 said:
None of which appear to be simply about compliance with a limit.
I said compliance '&' obtaining evidence against those that don't comply.
Or that.
Of course it is.

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

113 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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I've just found out that the people who run and staff courts and prisons are only doing it for the money yikesyikes

That being the case, the prisoners should be let out immediately and this disgraceful abuse of the law be brought to a deserved end.

rewc

2,187 posts

234 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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RobinOakapple said:
I've just found out that the people who run and staff courts and prisons are only doing it for the money yikesyikes
Are their salaries and the court buildings etc paid out of the fines imposed?

vonhosen

40,249 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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rewc said:
RobinOakapple said:
I've just found out that the people who run and staff courts and prisons are only doing it for the money yikesyikes
Are their salaries and the court buildings etc paid out of the fines imposed?
What's that got to do with it?.
Safety partnership's camera operators aren't paid from fines collected.