New TSRGD REGS out (speed repeaters)
Discussion
V8 Fettler said:
OpulentBob said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who is "we"?
People in the industry who use these documents day in, day out without a problem and without killing anyone and therefore without ending up in court defending ourselves. I know you have an issue with highways departments, you are like a stuck record - to be honest it just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about it. I'm happy and confident they will work for 99.9% of the situations 99.9% of the time, I think panicking about them is misplaced and an over-reaction. Just anecdotally, when was the last time you were done for speeding, and was it because there were no repeaters? I've been caught speeding three times in my life, none were due to a lack of repeaters... (I know, not a comprehensive data analysis session but just to see if it would affect you, given your driving history.)
On a local scale the general approach is incompetent, see how town centres are dying due to motorists flocking to out-of-town retail parks.
I have a balanced view with chips on both shoulders about people and organisations using my tax money ineffectively.
I have no interest in your driving history, that would involve moving the goal posts.
OpulentBob said:
Streetlights present = 30, ergo no repeaters needed, the limit is obvious. No change to this rule. Non-lit 30mph areas will, IMO, still have repeaters as they do now.
The presence of streetlights does not necessarily indicate 30mph though.Take the A54 between Tarvin and Kelsall as an example. The whole stretch is streetlit - but none of it is 30mph (it has 40mph, 50mph and NSL sections heading from Tarvin towards Kelsall).
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
OpulentBob said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who is "we"?
People in the industry who use these documents day in, day out without a problem and without killing anyone and therefore without ending up in court defending ourselves. I know you have an issue with highways departments, you are like a stuck record - to be honest it just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about it. I'm happy and confident they will work for 99.9% of the situations 99.9% of the time, I think panicking about them is misplaced and an over-reaction. Just anecdotally, when was the last time you were done for speeding, and was it because there were no repeaters? I've been caught speeding three times in my life, none were due to a lack of repeaters... (I know, not a comprehensive data analysis session but just to see if it would affect you, given your driving history.)
On a local scale the general approach is incompetent, see how town centres are dying due to motorists flocking to out-of-town retail parks.
I have a balanced view with chips on both shoulders about people and organisations using my tax money ineffectively.
I have no interest in your driving history, that would involve moving the goal posts.
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
OpulentBob said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who is "we"?
People in the industry who use these documents day in, day out without a problem and without killing anyone and therefore without ending up in court defending ourselves. I know you have an issue with highways departments, you are like a stuck record - to be honest it just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about it. I'm happy and confident they will work for 99.9% of the situations 99.9% of the time, I think panicking about them is misplaced and an over-reaction. Just anecdotally, when was the last time you were done for speeding, and was it because there were no repeaters? I've been caught speeding three times in my life, none were due to a lack of repeaters... (I know, not a comprehensive data analysis session but just to see if it would affect you, given your driving history.)
On a local scale the general approach is incompetent, see how town centres are dying due to motorists flocking to out-of-town retail parks.
I have a balanced view with chips on both shoulders about people and organisations using my tax money ineffectively.
I have no interest in your driving history, that would involve moving the goal posts.
Nothing to do with highways. They don't plan to build a road to nowhere in the hope that a developer comes along and sites a retail park at the end of it.
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
OpulentBob said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who is "we"?
People in the industry who use these documents day in, day out without a problem and without killing anyone and therefore without ending up in court defending ourselves. I know you have an issue with highways departments, you are like a stuck record - to be honest it just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about it. I'm happy and confident they will work for 99.9% of the situations 99.9% of the time, I think panicking about them is misplaced and an over-reaction. Just anecdotally, when was the last time you were done for speeding, and was it because there were no repeaters? I've been caught speeding three times in my life, none were due to a lack of repeaters... (I know, not a comprehensive data analysis session but just to see if it would affect you, given your driving history.)
On a local scale the general approach is incompetent, see how town centres are dying due to motorists flocking to out-of-town retail parks.
I have a balanced view with chips on both shoulders about people and organisations using my tax money ineffectively.
I have no interest in your driving history, that would involve moving the goal posts.
Nothing to do with highways. They don't plan to build a road to nowhere in the hope that a developer comes along and sites a retail park at the end of it.
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
OpulentBob said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who is "we"?
People in the industry who use these documents day in, day out without a problem and without killing anyone and therefore without ending up in court defending ourselves. I know you have an issue with highways departments, you are like a stuck record - to be honest it just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about it. I'm happy and confident they will work for 99.9% of the situations 99.9% of the time, I think panicking about them is misplaced and an over-reaction. Just anecdotally, when was the last time you were done for speeding, and was it because there were no repeaters? I've been caught speeding three times in my life, none were due to a lack of repeaters... (I know, not a comprehensive data analysis session but just to see if it would affect you, given your driving history.)
On a local scale the general approach is incompetent, see how town centres are dying due to motorists flocking to out-of-town retail parks.
I have a balanced view with chips on both shoulders about people and organisations using my tax money ineffectively.
I have no interest in your driving history, that would involve moving the goal posts.
Nothing to do with highways. They don't plan to build a road to nowhere in the hope that a developer comes along and sites a retail park at the end of it.
Type R Tom said:
Transport planning is very different to highway engineering. The guy doing the speed limits probably has a civil engineering degree, the person planning roads to an industrial estate probably has a planning degree. They are completely different disciplines.
Doubtful that the majority have a degree in either field. And the guy "planning" the road to an industrial estate is highly unlikely to have any formal planning related qualification. Type R Tom said:
Can you show me a road (streetview) that felt like a 40 that is now a 20 with no calming? Interested to see.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3675235,-2.3773541,3a,66.8y,97.29h,83.76t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sTRcGWaDJdeLaQHWxp3VLtg!2e0Is the best/worst example near to me. People still routinely do 35 along here. Back when I was learning to drive (and before the islands were put in place) that exact spot was a fairly regular overtaking place.
Type R Tom said:
Transport planning is very different to highway engineering. The guy doing the speed limits probably has a civil engineering degree, the person planning roads to an industrial estate probably has a planning degree. They are completely different disciplines.
Both require an element of planning. If there was co-ordination between the disciplines and the projects then perhaps town centres would thrive.Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
OpulentBob said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who is "we"?
People in the industry who use these documents day in, day out without a problem and without killing anyone and therefore without ending up in court defending ourselves. I know you have an issue with highways departments, you are like a stuck record - to be honest it just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about it. I'm happy and confident they will work for 99.9% of the situations 99.9% of the time, I think panicking about them is misplaced and an over-reaction. Just anecdotally, when was the last time you were done for speeding, and was it because there were no repeaters? I've been caught speeding three times in my life, none were due to a lack of repeaters... (I know, not a comprehensive data analysis session but just to see if it would affect you, given your driving history.)
On a local scale the general approach is incompetent, see how town centres are dying due to motorists flocking to out-of-town retail parks.
I have a balanced view with chips on both shoulders about people and organisations using my tax money ineffectively.
I have no interest in your driving history, that would involve moving the goal posts.
Nothing to do with highways. They don't plan to build a road to nowhere in the hope that a developer comes along and sites a retail park at the end of it.
The road planning element could involve new roads; as in "We can plan this new road to ensure that it has sufficient capacity so that we don't have to spend the next 30 years adding extra lanes at a far greater cost than if we got it right first time."
The road planning element could involve altering the function and operation of existing roads; as in "We need to carefully plan to ensure that the planned imposition of ridiculous speed limits with speed humps and the planned removal of convenient free parking places doesn't dissuade people from visiting the centre of town to spend money and keep the town centre alive".
davepoth said:
Type R Tom said:
Can you show me a road (streetview) that felt like a 40 that is now a 20 with no calming? Interested to see.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3675235,-2.3773541,3a,66.8y,97.29h,83.76t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sTRcGWaDJdeLaQHWxp3VLtg!2e0Is the best/worst example near to me. People still routinely do 35 along here. Back when I was learning to drive (and before the islands were put in place) that exact spot was a fairly regular overtaking place.
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
OpulentBob said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who is "we"?
People in the industry who use these documents day in, day out without a problem and without killing anyone and therefore without ending up in court defending ourselves. I know you have an issue with highways departments, you are like a stuck record - to be honest it just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about it. I'm happy and confident they will work for 99.9% of the situations 99.9% of the time, I think panicking about them is misplaced and an over-reaction. Just anecdotally, when was the last time you were done for speeding, and was it because there were no repeaters? I've been caught speeding three times in my life, none were due to a lack of repeaters... (I know, not a comprehensive data analysis session but just to see if it would affect you, given your driving history.)
On a local scale the general approach is incompetent, see how town centres are dying due to motorists flocking to out-of-town retail parks.
I have a balanced view with chips on both shoulders about people and organisations using my tax money ineffectively.
I have no interest in your driving history, that would involve moving the goal posts.
Nothing to do with highways. They don't plan to build a road to nowhere in the hope that a developer comes along and sites a retail park at the end of it.
The road planning element could involve new roads; as in "We can plan this new road to ensure that it has sufficient capacity so that we don't have to spend the next 30 years adding extra lanes at a far greater cost than if we got it right first time."
The road planning element could involve altering the function and operation of existing roads; as in "We need to carefully plan to ensure that the planned imposition of ridiculous speed limits with speed humps and the planned removal of convenient free parking places doesn't dissuade people from visiting the centre of town to spend money and keep the town centre alive".
The location of out of town developments is largely a planning matter, often a strategic planning matter along with any other major development. Highways will get some input as to the deliverability of a given site. They don't start planning how to build it. That's the developer's job.
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
V8 Fettler said:
OpulentBob said:
V8 Fettler said:
Who is "we"?
People in the industry who use these documents day in, day out without a problem and without killing anyone and therefore without ending up in court defending ourselves. I know you have an issue with highways departments, you are like a stuck record - to be honest it just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about it. I'm happy and confident they will work for 99.9% of the situations 99.9% of the time, I think panicking about them is misplaced and an over-reaction. Just anecdotally, when was the last time you were done for speeding, and was it because there were no repeaters? I've been caught speeding three times in my life, none were due to a lack of repeaters... (I know, not a comprehensive data analysis session but just to see if it would affect you, given your driving history.)
On a local scale the general approach is incompetent, see how town centres are dying due to motorists flocking to out-of-town retail parks.
I have a balanced view with chips on both shoulders about people and organisations using my tax money ineffectively.
I have no interest in your driving history, that would involve moving the goal posts.
Nothing to do with highways. They don't plan to build a road to nowhere in the hope that a developer comes along and sites a retail park at the end of it.
The road planning element could involve new roads; as in "We can plan this new road to ensure that it has sufficient capacity so that we don't have to spend the next 30 years adding extra lanes at a far greater cost than if we got it right first time."
The road planning element could involve altering the function and operation of existing roads; as in "We need to carefully plan to ensure that the planned imposition of ridiculous speed limits with speed humps and the planned removal of convenient free parking places doesn't dissuade people from visiting the centre of town to spend money and keep the town centre alive".
The location of out of town developments is largely a planning matter, often a strategic planning matter along with any other major development. Highways will get some input as to the deliverability of a given site. They don't start planning how to build it. That's the developer's job.
The location of out-of-town retail parks should be largely a matter of commercial opportunity for developers. Who in their right mind would invest in an out-of-town retail park if there wasn't a commercial opportunity?
Can I just add - I've had chance now to take a reasonable look at the new TSRGD and the way it's laid out is really quite s
te.
No longer does it list by Diag. number. When you just want to quickly look something up this makes it a right PITA. Also I noticed that it no longer references associated Diag. numbers, but Item numbers.
And it looks like it was drafted using mid-90s DTP software.
te.No longer does it list by Diag. number. When you just want to quickly look something up this makes it a right PITA. Also I noticed that it no longer references associated Diag. numbers, but Item numbers.
And it looks like it was drafted using mid-90s DTP software.
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