Ched Evans rape conviction quashed
Discussion
Quashed and a retrial ordered on the grounds that the first conviction was unsafe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36099522
If he is found not guilty, how will he be compensated for his time in jail, and the loss of his career?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36099522
If he is found not guilty, how will he be compensated for his time in jail, and the loss of his career?
Mill Wheel said:
Quashed and a retrial ordered on the grounds that the first conviction was unsafe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36099522
If he is found not guilty, how will he be compensated for his time in jail, and the loss of his career?
Don't know but maybe you could ask here?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36099522
If he is found not guilty, how will he be compensated for his time in jail, and the loss of his career?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
smn159 said:
Mill Wheel said:
Quashed and a retrial ordered on the grounds that the first conviction was unsafe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36099522
If he is found not guilty, how will he be compensated for his time in jail, and the loss of his career?
Don't know but maybe you could ask here?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36099522
If he is found not guilty, how will he be compensated for his time in jail, and the loss of his career?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
ZOLLAR said:
smn159 said:
Mill Wheel said:
If he is found not guilty, how will he be compensated for his time in jail, and the loss of his career?
Don't know but maybe you could ask here?http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
A couple of jack-the-lads who think they're something special get a teenage lass seriously pissed and doped-up, potentially surreptitiously sedated, then take advantage of her state. He-said-she-said, backed up by video evidence of her intoxication.
At the very least, both Evans and McDonald are repulsively loathsome slugs.
TooMany2cvs said:
Would anybody care about the case in the slightest, if not for what his job happened to be? If he was a builder or worked in McDogbits, it would have been a few column inches on page five and long since forgotten.
A couple of jack-the-lads who think they're something special get a teenage lass seriously pissed and doped-up, potentially surreptitiously sedated, then take advantage of her state. He-said-she-said, backed up by video evidence of her intoxication.
At the very least, both Evans and McDonald are repulsively loathsome slugs.
Maybe, maybe not.A couple of jack-the-lads who think they're something special get a teenage lass seriously pissed and doped-up, potentially surreptitiously sedated, then take advantage of her state. He-said-she-said, backed up by video evidence of her intoxication.
At the very least, both Evans and McDonald are repulsively loathsome slugs.
I have no interest in football but there certainly has been a lot of attention not just because of job but due to the case and validity of the conviction.
ozzuk said:
I'd be mindful what you post on a public forum, if he is found not guilty then wouldn't he be able to sue for libel?
You're making the assumption that he wants to pursue a libel trial where the bar is set lower. His conviction may be quashed, he may be found not guilty at his retrial but it's entirely possible that in a civil case a judge will decide differently. See Hunt V Times as a prime example of how that can go spectacularly wrong.ZOLLAR said:
Maybe, maybe not.
I have no interest in football but there certainly has been a lot of attention not just because of job but due to the case and validity of the conviction.
Plus if he had a McJob he wouldn't have been prevented from returning to his career by public outrage would he?I have no interest in football but there certainly has been a lot of attention not just because of job but due to the case and validity of the conviction.
siremoon said:
My understanding is that as the conviction has been quashed then he is not guilty now and remains so unless convicted at the retrial.
Presumed innocent until found guilty, not the same as being not guilty, if you commit a crime you are guilty from the moment you commit it.TooMany2cvs said:
A couple of jack-the-lads who think they're something special get a teenage lass seriously pissed and doped-up, potentially surreptitiously sedated, then take advantage of her state. He-said-she-said, backed up by video evidence of her intoxication.
At the very least, both Evans and McDonald are repulsively loathsome slugs.
Firstly AIUI, the victim reported to police that she thought she may have been drugged, but a blood test failed to find traces of anything except alcohol.At the very least, both Evans and McDonald are repulsively loathsome slugs.
Secondly McDonald has already been found not guilty of the crime that they were both charged with, and you can't (and therefore shouldn't) be locked up for simply being loathsome.
Gecko1978 said:
Not Guilty
poor b@stard will always be tarred witht that. What he did was not a good thing but not rape acording too the court
Given that the court had already accepted his co-accused didn't rape her I wasn't clear how intoxication preventing consent could be an issue in Evans' retrial. poor b@stard will always be tarred witht that. What he did was not a good thing but not rape acording too the court
But yes, I can't imagine the terrace songs will be any less abusive since the court cleared him.
It's been very odd from day one - not helped by it being trial by media. The decision that McDonald was innocent from the start always made Evans conviction look dubious (or McDonald's non-conviction!), but the law can be strange.
I still can't get my head around a woman standing by her fiancé who at worst was to be convicted as a rapist (at which point she still stood by him), or at best was "allowed to join in" with his mate who was busy playing hide the (frozen, obviously) sausage with somebody who was tired and emotional.
No doubt there's a book deal, and many sad looking appearances on daytime TV to follow.
I still can't get my head around a woman standing by her fiancé who at worst was to be convicted as a rapist (at which point she still stood by him), or at best was "allowed to join in" with his mate who was busy playing hide the (frozen, obviously) sausage with somebody who was tired and emotional.
No doubt there's a book deal, and many sad looking appearances on daytime TV to follow.
Tom_C76 said:
Given that the court had already accepted his co-accused didn't rape her I wasn't clear how intoxication preventing consent could be an issue in Evans' retrial.
But yes, I can't imagine the terrace songs will be any less abusive since the court cleared him.
It's a defence to have held a belief that consent was given. Evan's Co D was present in the company of the woman during the time before Evans arrived. The argument is that her behaviour in the time before sex gave the Co D that belief and, as Evans wasn't there at that time, he couldn't rely on the same.But yes, I can't imagine the terrace songs will be any less abusive since the court cleared him.
The issue swaying the retrial seems to be that the woman was a bit, erm, lively with other partners before and immediately after she was supposedly raped, behaviour inconsistent with the allegations.
janesmith1950 said:
Tom_C76 said:
Given that the court had already accepted his co-accused didn't rape her I wasn't clear how intoxication preventing consent could be an issue in Evans' retrial.
But yes, I can't imagine the terrace songs will be any less abusive since the court cleared him.
It's a defence to have held a belief that consent was given. Evan's Co D was present in the company of the woman during the time before Evans arrived. The argument is that her behaviour in the time before sex gave the Co D that belief and, as Evans wasn't there at that time, he couldn't rely on the same.But yes, I can't imagine the terrace songs will be any less abusive since the court cleared him.
The issue swaying the retrial seems to be that the woman was a bit, erm, lively with other partners before and immediately after she was supposedly raped, behaviour inconsistent with the allegations.
Shame she still get to keep that right while Ched Evans will have the stigma attached to him forever.
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