Ched Evans rape conviction quashed
Discussion
La Liga said:
sing the dictionary definitions you've linked above, yes, it's more akin to extortion.
However, when talking about the actual law there is only blackmail. Extortion 'lives' within the 'umbrella' of blackmail in terms of the law we have. They are synonyms.
This case illustrates the point nicely: http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-che...
It fits the 'extortion' definition you provided, but the offence was blackmail.
Well we got there in the end However, when talking about the actual law there is only blackmail. Extortion 'lives' within the 'umbrella' of blackmail in terms of the law we have. They are synonyms.
This case illustrates the point nicely: http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-che...
It fits the 'extortion' definition you provided, but the offence was blackmail.
Red 4 said:
Nope, no idea.
But given that you come across as an arrogant, argumentative buffoon who is prepared to argue the toss even when he has been shown to be an idiot, it matters not.
ps - are you really in the army or are you a walt ?
You have a strange attitude for a serving soldier - I know many people in the forces (friends and family). None of them are buffoons.
But given that you come across as an arrogant, argumentative buffoon who is prepared to argue the toss even when he has been shown to be an idiot, it matters not.
ps - are you really in the army or are you a walt ?
You have a strange attitude for a serving soldier - I know many people in the forces (friends and family). None of them are buffoons.
you're pretty funny. bmw535i said:
La Liga said:
sing the dictionary definitions you've linked above, yes, it's more akin to extortion.
However, when talking about the actual law there is only blackmail. Extortion 'lives' within the 'umbrella' of blackmail in terms of the law we have. They are synonyms.
This case illustrates the point nicely: http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-che...
It fits the 'extortion' definition you provided, but the offence was blackmail.
Well we got there in the end However, when talking about the actual law there is only blackmail. Extortion 'lives' within the 'umbrella' of blackmail in terms of the law we have. They are synonyms.
This case illustrates the point nicely: http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-che...
It fits the 'extortion' definition you provided, but the offence was blackmail.
Good night!
La Liga said:
es, but the OP 9 million pages ago still understood what blackmail meant
Good night!
I think you've chosen to interpret things in your usual obtuse way Good night!
I did ask you to quote me where I've said "extortion is a recordable offence", but you didn't.
It's quite clear that the scenario described is kidnap and extortion - as supported by every link I've posted.
Hey, at least you now know the definition of extortion.
bmw535i said:
I did ask you to quote me where I've said "extortion is a recordable offence", but you didn't.
You never said it was and I didn't ever suggest you had. My objection was that you told Twig he didn't understand what blackmail was when he was actually describing exactly what it was, from a criminal offence point of view.
In this forum I'm going to assume the context is within the law, but I understand how you see the differences between what he describes and those two definitions. So we may be working from different reference points.
La Liga said:
ou never said it was and I didn't ever suggest you had.
My objection was that you told Twig he didn't understand what blackmail was when he was actually describing exactly what it was, from a criminal offence point of view.
In this forum I'm going to assume the context is within the law, but I understand how you see the differences between what he describes and those two definitions. So we may be working from different reference points.
Indeed. I can't understand why you made such an issue of it to be fair. I can understand your retired colleagues manner even less. If you recall my initial comment where I quite clearly stated I "think" the situation etc etcMy objection was that you told Twig he didn't understand what blackmail was when he was actually describing exactly what it was, from a criminal offence point of view.
In this forum I'm going to assume the context is within the law, but I understand how you see the differences between what he describes and those two definitions. So we may be working from different reference points.
My second part was perhaps a little blunt, but I stand by it. I wasn't expecting quite such a spirited defence for twig from a third party.
Quite bizarre really.
Red 4 said:
bmw535i said:
Red 4 said:
I'm not sure why you think that is funny ...
Anyhow, I'll leave you to your alternate universe.
Have fun.
I'm sure you know Anyhow, I'll leave you to your alternate universe.
Have fun.
But given that you come across as an arrogant, argumentative buffoon who is prepared to argue the toss even when he has been shown to be an idiot, it matters not.
ps - are you really in the army or are you a walt ?
You have a strange attitude for a serving soldier - I know many people in the forces (friends and family). None of them are buffoons.
bmw535i said:
My second part was perhaps a little blunt, but I stand by it. I wasn't expecting quite such a spirited defence for twig from a third party.
It was more the defence of an incorrect point of law. My rationale is if people are talking about JEH 'blackmailing' then they were talking about actual blackmail. La Liga said:
t was more the defence of an incorrect point of law. My rationale is if people are talking about JEH 'blackmailing' then they were talking about actual blackmail.
Silly debate that this has become, life might become a little difficult if you choose to assume the legal definition in every scenario."And Suarez steals the ball!"
"Erm, wasn't dishonestly, no theft squire"
"Oxford murdered Cambridge in the boat race"
"Oi Oi Oi, no sign of the deceased, I must take issue with your point, sir!"
etc, etc, etc.
janesmith1950 said:
La Liga said:
t was more the defence of an incorrect point of law. My rationale is if people are talking about JEH 'blackmailing' then they were talking about actual blackmail.
Silly debate that this has become, life might become a little difficult if you choose to assume the legal definition in every scenario."And Suarez steals the ball!"
"Erm, wasn't dishonestly, no theft squire"
"Oxford murdered Cambridge in the boat race"
"Oi Oi Oi, no sign of the deceased, I must take issue with your point, sir!"
etc, etc, etc.
Issi said:
Nope, no idea.
But given that you come across as an arrogant, argumentative buffoon who is prepared to argue the toss even when he has been shown to be an idiot, it matters not.
ps - are you really in the army or are you a walt ?
You have a strange attitude for a serving soldier - I know many people in the forces (friends and family). None of them are buffoons.
Like I say, I always find it a bit odd when people from the police community concentrate on ones military service. It's almost as if they weren't quite good enough to join But given that you come across as an arrogant, argumentative buffoon who is prepared to argue the toss even when he has been shown to be an idiot, it matters not.
ps - are you really in the army or are you a walt ?
You have a strange attitude for a serving soldier - I know many people in the forces (friends and family). None of them are buffoons.
So what would TTWK and LL call it when JEH says to Sheffield United, "If you employ Ched, I will make you remove my name from your stand".
Emotional blackmail?
I favour this definition:
Emotional blackmail?
I favour this definition:
Urban Dictionary said:
Blackmail refers to a situation that arises when a person threatens another person with some form of punishment if they do not offer some form of concessions. Blackmail is usually the result of one person somehow obtaining embarrassing information about another and threatening to disclose it unless some form of payment (money or favors) is offered. The term originates from the words "black" and "mail", which referred to the dark or threatening nature of the letters (mail) that were received detailing the threat. Although blackmail usually entails paying a price to obtain another person's silence about an embarrassing situation, it need not involve an actual event before it can be conducted. The threat of embarrassing someone for a contrived event can be enough to conduct blackmail effectively, provided the threat is believable.
Mill Wheel said:
So what would TTWK and LL call it when JEH says to Sheffield United, "If you employ Ched, I will make you remove my name from your stand".
Emotional blackmail?
Do you mean "when" as in the future? I assume so since there's no public record of her saying that fictional quote. Although she may struggle to request it in the future since the stand was apparently renamed last year. Emotional blackmail?
You can water-down many definitions and meanings if you so wish. Applying your loose interpretation, any litigation is 'blackmail'. 'Pay X or we'll go to court', for example.
La Liga said:
o you mean "when" as in the future? I assume so since there's no public record of her saying that fictional quote. Although she may struggle to request it in the future since the stand was apparently renamed last year.
You can water-down many definitions and meanings if you so wish. Applying your loose interpretation, any litigation is 'blackmail'. 'Pay X or we'll go to court', for example.
I'm fairly sure mill wheel was paraphrasing, but it's quite clear what was said and it's intention.You can water-down many definitions and meanings if you so wish. Applying your loose interpretation, any litigation is 'blackmail'. 'Pay X or we'll go to court', for example.
"The 28-year-old, who said she was back in training ahead of the Olympics in 2016, told Sheffield United they would have to remove her name from a stand in her honour if they re-signed the convicted rapist."
Indeed. The coverage said she would ask (not make) them remove her name if they re-signed him.
I think it takes a rather creative interpretation of blackmail, along with the common understanding and usage to class it as that.
As I said, applying those standards can many scenarios 'blackmail'. Telling your kids they're not going to get their sweets until they tidy their room? Blackmail!
I think it takes a rather creative interpretation of blackmail, along with the common understanding and usage to class it as that.
As I said, applying those standards can many scenarios 'blackmail'. Telling your kids they're not going to get their sweets until they tidy their room? Blackmail!
janesmith1950 said:
A reasonable person could come to the conclusion Ennis was blackmailing the club. Effectively, don't do something to which you're otherwise entitled, or I'll do something that'll negatively affect you.
So if the Tories do something I disagree with, and I tell my MP that unless they reverse the decision, I won't vote for them next time, that's blackmail!
I've heard it all now.
bmw535i said:
Saying someone will have to do something = "asking" 
Different media uses different wording. "Ask": https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/nov/13/jess...
"Asked": http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jessica-e...
"Will ask": http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...
"Tells": http://news.sky.com/story/jessica-ennis-hill-warni...
"Would want": https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-8f3e-Jessica...
Etc etc.
Regardless, it's an interpretation since her original statement doesn't actually deal with that aspect.
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