Ched Evans rape conviction quashed
Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Dr Jekyll said:
I am a bit uncomfortable with the idea that she can apparently consent, decide retrospectively that it doesn't count because she was drunk,
She didn't do that. The police decided she hadn't consented, not her. She never made a complaint against Evans.Drunken consent is fine. If it weren't, millions of happily married couples who have drunken Saturday night sex as their usual love life routine would fall into the category of rapist and raped, which is clearly not the case.
The problem comes with men hooking up with women they don't know well, or at all, and having sex with them when they are paralytic. I've lectured my boys about not going there, even with consent. If you like them that much, get their number and call them the next day when they are sober.
Chrisgr31 said:
That video isnt clear at all. Can hardly see the woman involved and as it is time lapsed it is in my opinion impossible to tell if she is unsteady on her feet or not.
Here is a slightly better copy of the video for you.http://s15.photobucket.com/user/Engraver/media/Che...
Note the degree of interaction with the receptionist inside the hotel.
He testified in court that she stumbled, looked drunk, and had a vacant look on her face.
Mill Wheel said:
Here is a slightly better copy of the video for you.
http://s15.photobucket.com/user/Engraver/media/Che...
Note the degree of interaction with the receptionist inside the hotel.
He testified in court that she stumbled, looked drunk, and had a vacant look on her face.
Is that your photobucket?http://s15.photobucket.com/user/Engraver/media/Che...
Note the degree of interaction with the receptionist inside the hotel.
He testified in court that she stumbled, looked drunk, and had a vacant look on her face.
If so you may want to remove the link :-)
Some interesting photos on there.
Mill Wheel said:
Here is a slightly better copy of the video for you.
http://s15.photobucket.com/user/Engraver/media/Che...
Note the degree of interaction with the receptionist inside the hotel.
He testified in court that she stumbled, looked drunk, and had a vacant look on her face.
I am not quite sure what that video is supposed to demonstrate.http://s15.photobucket.com/user/Engraver/media/Che...
Note the degree of interaction with the receptionist inside the hotel.
He testified in court that she stumbled, looked drunk, and had a vacant look on her face.
I can see someone who stumbled and went back outside to pick up a Pizza that was left on the floor (or perhaps a wall)
I can't see her face, but it's fairly likely she was drunk. No idea how drunk she was though and if I wore those shoes I would stumble as well.
desolate said:
I am not quite sure what that video is supposed to demonstrate.
I can see someone who stumbled and went back outside to pick up a Pizza that was left on the floor (or perhaps a wall)
I can't see her face, but it's fairly likely she was drunk. No idea how drunk she was though and if I wore those shoes I would stumble as well.
The prosecution alleged that she was so drunk she had difficulty standing.I can see someone who stumbled and went back outside to pick up a Pizza that was left on the floor (or perhaps a wall)
I can't see her face, but it's fairly likely she was drunk. No idea how drunk she was though and if I wore those shoes I would stumble as well.
Despite those shoes, she seems to be managing fairly well, unaided.
The Pizza was on the floor - she put it down when she got out of the taxi - then for some reason decided to walk back for it.
She had sat in the front of the taxi, after the driver told her she could not take it in the back seat of the taxi.
Pete317 said:
She certainly doesn't look "barely conscious" to me
It would appear that despite claims to the contrary, that you are not alone!Not everyone sees it that way though.
TooMany2cvs said:
A couple of jack-the-lads who think they're something special get a teenage lass seriously pissed and doped-up, potentially surreptitiously sedated, then take advantage of her state. He-said-she-said, backed up by video evidence of her intoxication.
TooMany2cvs said:
ozzuk said:
I'd be mindful what you post on a public forum, if he is found not guilty then wouldn't he be able to sue for libel?
Not if what's been said is true.janesmith1950 said:
The guy snuck in and out of a hotel room to play a tag team game if hide the sausage with a barely conscious young woman. And he had a girlfriend at home.
Let's not pretend he was a vituous fool.
I don't think anyone would hold him up as virtuous. But to say she was barely conscious when she was reported to be saying "fLet's not pretend he was a vituous fool.
k me harder" is a bit off don't you think? Whatever moral judgements you want to make about his behaviour, she was not "barely conscious", and would seem to have been enjoying it, enthusiastically participating and encouraging him.That the police decided to pursue this when she had not even complained is quite worrying. If she said she can't remember, then that is absence of evidence... not evidence that consent was not given.
Personally, I don't care what consensual sexual activities anyone gets up to. Doesn't sound like my cup of tea at all, but what anyone else gets up to is none of anyone's business so long as it is consensual and legal. What is this, Victorian Britain?
Disastrous said:
Mill Wheel, would it be fair to describe your position as "If she's had a drink, just say neigh!" or would you allow for the possibility that the girl maybe is a bit of a mare with a horsetory of getting mounted?
Are you being deliberately foalish about this Dis? Stories like this can stirrup the emotions but we should all remain as stable as possible and rein ourselves in or this thread won't be around furlong.rohrl said:
Disastrous said:
Mill Wheel, would it be fair to describe your position as "If she's had a drink, just say neigh!" or would you allow for the possibility that the girl maybe is a bit of a mare with a horsetory of getting mounted?
Are you being deliberately foalish about this Dis? Stories like this can stirrup the emotions but we should all remain as stable as possible and rein ourselves in or this thread won't be around furlong.Disastrous said:
rohrl said:
Disastrous said:
Mill Wheel, would it be fair to describe your position as "If she's had a drink, just say neigh!" or would you allow for the possibility that the girl maybe is a bit of a mare with a horsetory of getting mounted?
Are you being deliberately foalish about this Dis? Stories like this can stirrup the emotions but we should all remain as stable as possible and rein ourselves in or this thread won't be around furlong.The publicity around the case turned it into a circus, however let's not pretend Evans was either open and shut rape or open and shut innocent. It's taken two juries, three courts and additional witnesses to come to a final conclusion.
I think Evans was hard done by when it comes to the way certain people made bold proclamations before the appeal process was concludes.
Having said that, whilst he was steeplechasing the woman, so drunk she could not remember being double jockeyed, his girlfriend, the poor mare, was sat at home. If you see this event as just poor old Ched Evans, doing what any decent young man should be doing, shame on you, irrespective of the legalities.
I think Evans was hard done by when it comes to the way certain people made bold proclamations before the appeal process was concludes.
Having said that, whilst he was steeplechasing the woman, so drunk she could not remember being double jockeyed, his girlfriend, the poor mare, was sat at home. If you see this event as just poor old Ched Evans, doing what any decent young man should be doing, shame on you, irrespective of the legalities.
janesmith1950 said:
Having said that, whilst he was steeplechasing the woman, so drunk she could not remember being double jockeyed, his girlfriend, the poor mare, was sat at home.
I'm not sure I buy what the "victim" was selling. Looking at the previously linked video, I don't think she looked that drunk at all. Based on my experience of binge drinking (too much really) and the small number of times I have missing memories, and the fact she didn't seem that drunk in the video, and that she was heard to be encouraging him during sex, and did not complain of rape herself.... I am leaning towards it being perfectly feasible, perhaps even the more likely explanation, that she said 'I can't remember' because she saw it as a more preferable answer to give than to say 'I got drunk and let two minor celebrity footballers double team me'.
janesmith1950 said:
If you see this event as just poor old Ched Evans, doing what any decent young man should be doing, shame on you, irrespective of the legalities.
"Doing what any decent young man should be doing" in whose opinion? Yours?Who gets to decide what is decent? You? A religion? The law?
Who gets to tell young men what they should or shouldn't do? If what he did is not illegal, then moral judgements from anyone else are an irrelevance.
Shame on me eh? Like I give a crap about someone trying to shame me into behaving in a way that fits their moral code. Who do you think you are the pope?
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