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4rephill said:
The problem with the TV licensing system is, there is a presumption that every household automatically has a TV licence, therefore when they find an address without a licence an assumption is made that the occupiers must be watching BBC TV channels illegally (no other channels require the licence in order to watch them).
Yes they do. You cannot watch programmes as they are broadcast from any channel without a TV Licence.You mean only the BBC benefits from the Licence we have to purchase.
mph1977 said:
4rephill said:
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The problem with the TV licensing system is, there is a presumption that every household automatically has a TV licence, therefore when they find an address without a licence an assumption is made that the occupiers must be watching BBC TV channels illegally (no other channels require the licence in order to watch them).
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This is incorrect , consequently your whole argument is void and fallacious. Reception of any live broadcast television in the Uk requires a valid TV licence ... The problem with the TV licensing system is, there is a presumption that every household automatically has a TV licence, therefore when they find an address without a licence an assumption is made that the occupiers must be watching BBC TV channels illegally (no other channels require the licence in order to watch them).
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Personally we don't need a license as there is only one TV show that is watched in our house and the missus could easily do that via catch up TV. Trying to convince her is another matter, but she pays it so up to her.
It's not a criminal matter - and the law doesn't say it is
It's a criminal matter because the law says it is.
see comment ref taking some accountability for your own actions and choices ...
unfortunately it seems the anti faction in this discussion falls into three broad groups
- immature overgrown children
- deluded immature overgrown children seeking a cheat code for life AKA freewibblers on the Land
- ideologues who ( while not even noting the possibility of confirmation bias) feel the BBC represents some sort of pinko reds under the tv table plot ...
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It's a criminal matter because the law says it is.
see comment ref taking some accountability for your own actions and choices ...
unfortunately it seems the anti faction in this discussion falls into three broad groups
- immature overgrown children
- deluded immature overgrown children seeking a cheat code for life AKA freewibblers on the Land
- ideologues who ( while not even noting the possibility of confirmation bias) feel the BBC represents some sort of pinko reds under the tv table plot ...
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Riley Blue said:
Didn't the PM say recently that the 'loophole' was going to be closed and you'll need a TV licence to watch programmes after they've been transmitted live?
So what you're saying is.... everyone with a smart phone, tablet, laptop, desktop computer, games console or Internet connection (or any combination of the above), you'll need a TV licence? Because if you own any of them, you could watch catch up programmes? ModernAndy said:
It will stop the letters for a bit but then the cycle begins again.
They promise they won't contact you for 2 years but in my experience it was just over 1 year before they sent someone round in the middle of the day. Shock horror no one was in, I wonder why? You also don't need to tell them who you are when you say you don't watch live TV.TobyLerone said:
So what you're saying is.... everyone with a smart phone, tablet, laptop, desktop computer, games console or Internet connection (or any combination of the above), you'll need a TV licence? Because if you own any of them, you could watch catch up programmes?
Just if you use iPlayer or watch any live TV.Its not an offence to have a house full of tellies and no licence as long as they are not used. The licence goons have no right to enter any property. There are quite a few videos on youtube of them being told to sod off.
If you by a TV from a shop they will ask for your address to send to the licencing people. I saw a bloke in Currys once having a right rant because they wanted his address. He wouldn't give it so they refused to sell him the TV. It wasn't a cheap one either.
Its time the telly tax went to be honest. The BBC is now way to biased regarding news reporting and the programming output is terrible.
To be fair, BBC radio is excellent.
If you by a TV from a shop they will ask for your address to send to the licencing people. I saw a bloke in Currys once having a right rant because they wanted his address. He wouldn't give it so they refused to sell him the TV. It wasn't a cheap one either.
Its time the telly tax went to be honest. The BBC is now way to biased regarding news reporting and the programming output is terrible.
To be fair, BBC radio is excellent.
TobyLerone said:
Riley Blue said:
Didn't the PM say recently that the 'loophole' was going to be closed and you'll need a TV licence to watch programmes after they've been transmitted live?
So what you're saying is.... everyone with a smart phone, tablet, laptop, desktop computer, games console or Internet connection (or any combination of the above), you'll need a TV licence? Because if you own any of them, you could watch catch up programmes? MoggieMinor said:
If you by a TV from a shop they will ask for your address to send to the licencing people. I saw a bloke in Currys once having a right rant because they wanted his address. He wouldn't give it so they refused to sell him the TV. It wasn't a cheap one either.
Apparently 10 Downing St has over a million TVs. The shop is required to record an address, not check it is valid.... Hi said:
Whereas if you ignore the letters they will come round to check. If they have a list of people who are ignoring letters they are more likely to check those addresses first then bother checking someone who has the intelligence to follow the simple instructions on the leaflet.
In 4 years I've not had anyone come round to check.
No they don't. I've been ignoring monthly letters for I think 8 years now and not a peep. Maximum fine, £1000. Money saved £1160.In 4 years I've not had anyone come round to check.
As I understand it they concentrate their activities on estates where people are a) likely not to have paid, b) likely to have a massive telly and c) are likely to be in during the day. I don't fit any of those categories.
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k them. It's up to them to prove, not me to disprove. And it's not my money they're wasting in the meantime. 
technodup said:
Hi said:
Whereas if you ignore the letters they will come round to check. If they have a list of people who are ignoring letters they are more likely to check those addresses first then bother checking someone who has the intelligence to follow the simple instructions on the leaflet.
In 4 years I've not had anyone come round to check.
No they don't. I've been ignoring monthly letters for I think 8 years now and not a peep. Maximum fine, £1000. Money saved £1160.In 4 years I've not had anyone come round to check.
As I understand it they concentrate their activities on estates where people are a) likely not to have paid, b) likely to have a massive telly and c) are likely to be in during the day. I don't fit any of those categories.
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k them. It's up to them to prove, not me to disprove. And it's not my money they're wasting in the meantime. Why not just fill in the online form saying you don't need licence, that way you will (should) be able to go for 2 years between each leaflet drop. (It's worked for me, no contact for 2 years). Also by listing your address as one not needing a TV licence it may well add to their figures of those who don't use their service, if enough people do it then it may spur them on to change their business model if they can see they are losing customers.
For the last 3 years I've been plagued by 'Legal Occupier' letters from the TV licensing attack dogs telling me how much I was going to get fined and ways to buy the licence, if they had been more diplomatic with their letters I might of rung them to let them know that I can't stand cooking programmes, Chris Evans or Eastenders hence I don't watch tele so I have no licence but after their threats I like wasting their time, I even had a visit from them the other day as they left their calling card but I was upstairs with the music blaring out so didn't hear him/her/them pity as I would've loved a little chat. Haha
Hi said:
Why not just fill in the online form saying you don't need licence, that way you will (should) be able to go for 2 years between each leaflet drop.
I couldn't care less about the letters. Their empty threats are intended to scare the stupid, the elderly and the poor, and again I don't fit any of those categories.If people just held onto the letters and read them in turn they'd see how ridiculous and nonsensical they are. Opening an investigation, ongoing investigation, opening investigation etc. Their 'investigation' unit (the do we have a licence registered at this address spreadsheet) must be the most inefficient unit in the country. Or it could all be bulls
t.Either way I'm not entering into any communication with them.
Hi said:
Exactly, I'm willing to bet you an internet pint that you are on their list of 'people to visit' but you are either so far down that very long list or as mentioned you are in a 'low hit rate' area that you will be one of the last to get a visit.
Why not just fill in the online form saying you don't need licence, that way you will (should) be able to go for 2 years between each leaflet drop. (It's worked for me, no contact for 2 years). Also by listing your address as one not needing a TV licence it may well add to their figures of those who don't use their service, if enough people do it then it may spur them on to change their business model if they can see they are losing customers.
Previous address I made no contact with them and after a year they gave up even sending the letters, so one less piece of junk to go in the recycling.Why not just fill in the online form saying you don't need licence, that way you will (should) be able to go for 2 years between each leaflet drop. (It's worked for me, no contact for 2 years). Also by listing your address as one not needing a TV licence it may well add to their figures of those who don't use their service, if enough people do it then it may spur them on to change their business model if they can see they are losing customers.
After moving last summer I filled in the online form as g/f was uncomfortable with not doing it.
Two visits, both late evening, from Capita. Both times they were aggressive and lied about their intent.
First time demanding my name from me as soon as I opened the door as, according to the goon, I am legally obliged to provide that to them. I refused and asked who he was, he proceeded to say he could hear a television and started to recite a PACE caution. I told him the "television" he could hear was in fact my stereo and closed the door.
Second time my g/f opened the door to a man with no visible ID, around 21:30, who started to walk into the house uninvited. She half closed the door and shouted me, he reached around the door and was asking her name. As soon as I appeared he backed up and started telling us we needed a TV licence. I wasn't so polite that time and chased him away from the door.
Following that I googled and found tons of similar examples along with details of Capita's commission structure (1 "hit per hour" or you're back to minimum wage) and several examples of Capita staff appearing in court for faking statements. There's also an insider's perspective from an ex Capita staff:
http://www.tvlicenceresistance.info/forum/index.ph...
I'm moving again later this year to somewhere I intend to stay a long time, no way will I be entering into any form of communication with these bullying b
ds next time.I bought a second TV a few years back, had to give my details to the guy on the till, a few weeks later I got a reasonably threatening letter from the TV licence people saying that there was no TV licence in my name at my address; I binned it and got another letter a few weeks later.
In the end I called them and got it sorted, however if they had bothered to check, they would have found a TV licence at my address, however in my then girlfriends (now wife) name.
In the end I called them and got it sorted, however if they had bothered to check, they would have found a TV licence at my address, however in my then girlfriends (now wife) name.
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