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Highways England do NOT contrary to Pistonhead believe stick variable limits (HADECS) or AMS (Advisory Message Signs) on for A) A laugh in the area control centres or B) To catch motorists speeding because they get their jollys from that.
Its always done to keep the network flowing because there is an incident on that section or traffic volumes and previous patterns from historic data reducing the limit due to the volume or prevailing weather conditions has been proved to reduce collisions and keep the network following.HE get no direct kick backs or benefit in catching speeders, they are judged by areas and have various league tables and everyone wants to be top. These focus on traffic flow and keeping the network moving.
I however don't agree with HADECS being used for 70mph enforcement these were only supposed to in my early involvement be used for management of lower speed limits when network required intervention from the area control.
Also bearing in mind our motorways statistically our safest roads a over zealous implmentation of speed enforcement seems unnecessary and may serve to push some motors onto less safe B/A Roads.
Having surveyed live carriageways and driven in and out of Traffic Management areas in marked HE TM cars and been involved with TM layouts etc. I can tell having worked on Council and Highways England contracts being on a live 50-70mph limit with people going 90 plus is no fun for the work in carriageway.
Hopefully a balanced opinion as I am not a speed camera fan and have had problems myself in the past. Roofer man up, grow a pair you only have yourself to blame, its not some Highways England comspiracy to rob you of a licence and a lively hood.
Speaking from experience go to court smartly dressed contrite and accept all the speeding offences were silly and state you have had a shock and learnt your lesson etc. Set out the effect on you and your nearest and dearest if you lose your licence for 6 months and hopefully the courts will treat you fairly.
Best of luck!
Its always done to keep the network flowing because there is an incident on that section or traffic volumes and previous patterns from historic data reducing the limit due to the volume or prevailing weather conditions has been proved to reduce collisions and keep the network following.HE get no direct kick backs or benefit in catching speeders, they are judged by areas and have various league tables and everyone wants to be top. These focus on traffic flow and keeping the network moving.
I however don't agree with HADECS being used for 70mph enforcement these were only supposed to in my early involvement be used for management of lower speed limits when network required intervention from the area control.
Also bearing in mind our motorways statistically our safest roads a over zealous implmentation of speed enforcement seems unnecessary and may serve to push some motors onto less safe B/A Roads.
Having surveyed live carriageways and driven in and out of Traffic Management areas in marked HE TM cars and been involved with TM layouts etc. I can tell having worked on Council and Highways England contracts being on a live 50-70mph limit with people going 90 plus is no fun for the work in carriageway.
Hopefully a balanced opinion as I am not a speed camera fan and have had problems myself in the past. Roofer man up, grow a pair you only have yourself to blame, its not some Highways England comspiracy to rob you of a licence and a lively hood.
Speaking from experience go to court smartly dressed contrite and accept all the speeding offences were silly and state you have had a shock and learnt your lesson etc. Set out the effect on you and your nearest and dearest if you lose your licence for 6 months and hopefully the courts will treat you fairly.
Best of luck!
Thank you Surveyor.
However, I had clear vision for at least a mile. And had the same for the previous distance, from the A10 to the M11. Clear all the way.
After the Bell Common, clear all the way to the A12. The last Hadecs is before the Bell Common, the one that nabbed me.
It was showing 60 on the gantry, I was NIPped at 65.
I spend at least half a day every day of the week on the M25. As I said previously, Peter and the Wolf, you'll only believe something for so long.
The motorist is a cash cow, easy to trace, must be capable of paying because they can afford to run a car. It's easy money, for a system that has decided to rob everyday people...because they can.
I've always drove to suit the conditions , not had an accident in 36 years, nor come close. But its the 'computer says no' society we live in, give me a good old fashioned copper any day , at least they know the difference ...
However, I had clear vision for at least a mile. And had the same for the previous distance, from the A10 to the M11. Clear all the way.
After the Bell Common, clear all the way to the A12. The last Hadecs is before the Bell Common, the one that nabbed me.
It was showing 60 on the gantry, I was NIPped at 65.
I spend at least half a day every day of the week on the M25. As I said previously, Peter and the Wolf, you'll only believe something for so long.
The motorist is a cash cow, easy to trace, must be capable of paying because they can afford to run a car. It's easy money, for a system that has decided to rob everyday people...because they can.
I've always drove to suit the conditions , not had an accident in 36 years, nor come close. But its the 'computer says no' society we live in, give me a good old fashioned copper any day , at least they know the difference ...
roofer said:
I've always drove to suit the conditions.
The conditions were that you had 9 points on your licence.You seem incapable of learning from the previous experiences; perhaps the ban will be educational.
You committed the offences so don't whinge about getting caught & having to pay the price.
roofer said:
Thank you Surveyor.
However, I had clear vision for at least a mile. And had the same for the previous distance, from the A10 to the M11. Clear all the way.
After the Bell Common, clear all the way to the A12. The last Hadecs is before the Bell Common, the one that nabbed me.
It was showing 60 on the gantry, I was NIPped at 65.
I spend at least half a day every day of the week on the M25. As I said previously, Peter and the Wolf, you'll only believe something for so long.
The motorist is a cash cow, easy to trace, must be capable of paying because they can afford to run a car. It's easy money, for a system that has decided to rob everyday people...because they can.
I've always drove to suit the conditions , not had an accident in 36 years, nor come close. But its the 'computer says no' society we live in, give me a good old fashioned copper any day , at least they know the difference ...
You really are a plonker, aren't you.However, I had clear vision for at least a mile. And had the same for the previous distance, from the A10 to the M11. Clear all the way.
After the Bell Common, clear all the way to the A12. The last Hadecs is before the Bell Common, the one that nabbed me.
It was showing 60 on the gantry, I was NIPped at 65.
I spend at least half a day every day of the week on the M25. As I said previously, Peter and the Wolf, you'll only believe something for so long.
The motorist is a cash cow, easy to trace, must be capable of paying because they can afford to run a car. It's easy money, for a system that has decided to rob everyday people...because they can.
I've always drove to suit the conditions , not had an accident in 36 years, nor come close. But its the 'computer says no' society we live in, give me a good old fashioned copper any day , at least they know the difference ...
You chose to speed knowing full well you were on 9 points already. You can bleat all you like about being a cash cow. However, you played right into the game.
I seriously hope whatever comes your way educates you. I don't think it will make any difference though. People like you do not learn.
surveyor_101 said:
Highways England do NOT contrary to Pistonhead believe stick variable limits (HADECS) or AMS (Advisory Message Signs) on for A) A laugh in the area control centres or B) To catch motorists speeding because they get their jollys from that.
Its always done to keep the network flowing because there is an incident on that section or traffic volumes and previous patterns from historic data reducing the limit due to the volume or prevailing weather conditions has been proved to reduce collisions and keep the network following.HE get no direct kick backs or benefit in catching speeders, they are judged by areas and have various league tables and everyone wants to be top. These focus on traffic flow and keeping the network moving.
Perhaps you can explain why the gantries for over 12 miles between J5 to J6 of the M25 were displaying red 40mph restriction roundels backed up by Incident on the roadside matrix panels around 04.35am last Saturday. It cannot have had anything to do with volume at that time in the morning or weather conditions and there was no discernible incident or obstruction that I could see. Immensely frustrating having to crawl along in formation for mile after mile for no apparent reason instead of being able to proceed quite safely at the NSL.Its always done to keep the network flowing because there is an incident on that section or traffic volumes and previous patterns from historic data reducing the limit due to the volume or prevailing weather conditions has been proved to reduce collisions and keep the network following.HE get no direct kick backs or benefit in catching speeders, they are judged by areas and have various league tables and everyone wants to be top. These focus on traffic flow and keeping the network moving.
NJK44 said:
Some people in here acting like they all stick to variable speed limits, when the reality is 99% of people ignore them and carry on their merry way at 70-80.
Utter rubbish. I think 99% of people on 9 points do stick to the speed limit. Personally, when I hit 6 points I decided to stick to the speed limit. I didn't want to go to 9 and be on a knife edge.Maybe I have that wrong, but I've known quite a few people on 6/9 points, but hardly know anyone who's hit 12, so I assume they've changed their behaviour.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Utter rubbish. I think 99% of people on 9 points do stick to the speed limit. Personally, when I hit 6 points I decided to stick to the speed limit. I didn't want to go to 9 and be on a knife edge.
Maybe I have that wrong, but I've known quite a few people on 6/9 points, but hardly know anyone who's hit 12, so I assume they've changed their behaviour.
Depends who you know I guess, I don't know anybody, including myself, who's ever had any points. Maybe I have that wrong, but I've known quite a few people on 6/9 points, but hardly know anyone who's hit 12, so I assume they've changed their behaviour.
NJK44 said:
My close friends and family don't have any points, why would they?
because as you say.......NJK44 said:
Some people in here acting like they all stick to variable speed limits, when the reality is 99% of people ignore them and carry on their merry way at 70-80.
...so make your frikking mind up...which is it?NJK44 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
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I find that, frankly, impossible to believe. Unless you don't actually know ANYBODY.
My close friends and family don't have any points, why would they?I find that, frankly, impossible to believe. Unless you don't actually know ANYBODY.
NJK44 said:
Quite frankly, I'm shocked that you know so many WITH points 
I'm currently on zero, but only thanks to a half-day of tea-drinking a couple of years ago. I've been up to six, a couple of times, never anything more than FPNs. I've got no desire to get beyond six, but another FPN or two is inevitable at some point.I've got friends who have been all the way up to bans, some for dedicated stupidity, some for momentary wuckfittery, some for simple isolated bad decisions. I've got friends who've taken points for their spouse to save a ban. I'm sure I've got some friends who've never had any points at all, but I have no idea really, because I've never discussed it with any of them. I can think of a few possibles, but they're mainly people with either very new licences or who drive like your Grandma - so much so that, frankly, I feel uncomfortable passengering them.
NJK44 said:
Most people at my work don't drive so they can't count.
Are you saying they don't currently have a car? Or they don't have, and have never had, a licence?I find the first hard to believe. I find the second VERY hard to believe. I presume they all commute to work by train? That doesn't, of course, mean they don't have a car at home, and it certainly doesn't mean they don't have a licence.
DVLA have 45.5m active driving licence records.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
The population of the UK is 64m, with 38m of working age (16 to current state retirement age), and 11m over retirement age. That's just under 50m, which means that less than 10% of the adult population don't have a driving licence - EXCLUDING those who have licences from other countries and no DVLA record.
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Tuesday 17th May 11:01
TooMany2cvs said:
Are you saying they don't currently have a car? Or they don't have, and have never had, a licence?
I find the first hard to believe. I find the second VERY hard to believe. I presume they all commute to work by train? That doesn't, of course, mean they don't have a car at home, and it certainly doesn't mean they don't have a licence.
Most people at work simply can't afford a car or don't want to own one at this point in time. I find the first hard to believe. I find the second VERY hard to believe. I presume they all commute to work by train? That doesn't, of course, mean they don't have a car at home, and it certainly doesn't mean they don't have a licence.
And no, they all commute by car. I'm assuming they just don't break the law..
It's not so difficult to believe that people who drive daily don't get points. In my entire 25-year driving career I've only ever received points once, and that was for a lane change that the police decided was "undertaking".
I commute 50 miles a day around Surrey, Berkshire and London. and will happily exceed the speed limit where conditions allow (by which I mean it is safe for others, safe for me, reasonably safe for my licence). Perhaps 25% of my journey is motorway where I cruise at 85-95 where possible. I would go much faster if traffic and laws allowed. In Germany I'm happy to cruise at 120-130mph so I don't class myself as slow.
Now that I've said that, sod's law will catch up with me and I'll probably get some points next week.
I commute 50 miles a day around Surrey, Berkshire and London. and will happily exceed the speed limit where conditions allow (by which I mean it is safe for others, safe for me, reasonably safe for my licence). Perhaps 25% of my journey is motorway where I cruise at 85-95 where possible. I would go much faster if traffic and laws allowed. In Germany I'm happy to cruise at 120-130mph so I don't class myself as slow.
Now that I've said that, sod's law will catch up with me and I'll probably get some points next week.
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