12 Points on the Horizon...

[ging84]

Grandad Gaz said:

I've seen a lot of those "animals in road" signs over the years but, never actually seen an offending animal!

Makes you wonder.

Because it's a conspiracy
While you're looking down at the road for a run away goose, the ufos hover above you completely unnoticed.
I'm not saying it's always aliens, I'm not crazy.

[agtlaw]

ging84 said:

Grandad Gaz said:

I've seen a lot of those "animals in road" signs over the years but, never actually seen an offending animal!

Makes you wonder.

Because it's a conspiracy
While you're looking down at the road for a run away goose, the ufos hover above you completely unnoticed.
I'm not saying it's always aliens, I'm not crazy.

The animals were likely removed by the children who were playing on the motorway - making it an extremely dangerous place to go 65 mph.

[roofer]

mikees said:

Hi roofer. Enjoyed your great contributions of the other sub forums.

Can't recall you saying if you are a one man band or employer. just get lad on as an apprentice ( of sorts more trainee) and get him to drive for 6 months. It'll be what 7k? For a driver and a labourer?

Mike

I employ quite a few people, mainly subbies though. The warehouse lad looks like he's due a promotion but the 5.30 starts and 7-8pm finishes will nark him off !

[skeggysteve]

roofer said:

...on the M25 at 65 mph...

If the magistrates are local they will know that this is not possible so the camera must be faulty

Seriously, best of luck OP.

[paulwirral]

roofer said:

Forward contract deal for 35 k if a 6 month ban, ouch !

I don't dispute the should of slowed down/ kept your eyes open mob, they have a valid point, But if I wanted a preacher, I'd go to church.

Zombie mode on the M25 at 65 mph, on a perfectly clear road, st happens. Now, if I can reduce or swerve a ban, all well and good, maybe someone has experienced similar and could give a few pointers on their experience, hence the OP.

Last time I looked, this was a site for motoring enthusiasts, so think I'm in the right place, and really, genuine thanks to the positive replys.

I could team up with you in jersey and start re felting double garage roofs for £1900 , we could crack that taxi bill in a month and spend the weekends on the lash !

[Durzel]

roofer said:

I employ quite a few people, mainly subbies though. The warehouse lad looks like he's due a promotion but the 5.30 starts and 7-8pm finishes will nark him off !

You should be sorted for an exceptional hardship plea then. Presumably you drive around to get contracts for these folk to work on, so if you can't drive - business suffers, potential to have to let one or more of them go, etc.

Good luck.

[mikees]

roofer said:

mikees said:

Hi roofer. Enjoyed your great contributions of the other sub forums.

Can't recall you saying if you are a one man band or employer. just get lad on as an apprentice ( of sorts more trainee) and get him to drive for 6 months. It'll be what 7k? For a driver and a labourer?

Mike

I employ quite a few people, mainly subbies though. The warehouse lad looks like he's due a promotion but the 5.30 starts and 7-8pm finishes will nark him off !

I'd try the hardship route but expect to get caned. Pay him a few quid more or use of the van and he'll be good as gold. Got to be a plan tho.

[roofer]

Thanks all. If I can wangle a short ban, my understanding is it wipes the points off, so maybe some light.

[giantdefy]

roofer said:

Thanks all. If I can wangle a short ban, my understanding is it wipes the points off, so maybe some light.

Penalty points are only removed from your driving licence when you are disqualified under the totting up process, which would normally result in a ban of 6 months. This would then have the effect of "wiping the slate clean" and removing all points taken into account when the totting up ban was imposed. An instant ban, which is not subject to the totting up process, has no effect on other penalty points.

[deltashad]

Jazoli said:

A short ban will give you time to sharpen your eyesight and maybe make you pay more attention.

What a lovely person you are.

[Jazoli]

deltashad said:

Jazoli said:

A short ban will give you time to sharpen your eyesight and maybe make you pay more attention.

What a lovely person you are.

Oh I am, but really? I think having 9 points already would certainly sharpen my eyesight and make me pay attention to speed limits with the threat of losing my licence and maybe my income, especially If I have to do 70k miles a year, I don't have an awful lot of sympathy really, but I get how easily it can happen, especially with these stupid limits that change every 2 miles on the managed motorways.

[Pete317]

Jazoli said:

deltashad said:

Jazoli said:

A short ban will give you time to sharpen your eyesight and maybe make you pay more attention.

What a lovely person you are.

Oh I am, but really? I think having 9 points already would certainly sharpen my eyesight and make me pay attention to speed limits with the threat of losing my licence and maybe my income, especially If I have to do 70k miles a year, I don't have an awful lot of sympathy really, but I get how easily it can happen, especially with these stupid limits that change every 2 miles on the managed motorways.

But are you sure that while you're paying so much attention to the speed limits that you're not missing unexpected hazards? (or vice-versa)

See: http://www.livescience.com/6727-invisible-gorilla-...

Edited by Pete317 on Sunday 24th April 22:04

[funkyrobot]

deltashad said:

Jazoli said:

A short ban will give you time to sharpen your eyesight and maybe make you pay more attention.

What a lovely person you are.

As mentioned above, he has a point.

OP was on 9 points. Why would anyone speed when one more NIP could mean a ban etc.?

Also, all points added in 14 months? The OP is on a run of form and needs to keep to the limits.

(I know people speed and this isn't a lecture about speeding. However, if you do drive beyond the speed limits, there is a time where you really need to stop and consider what you are doing. Arguments about the weather being nice, the road being wide and empty etc. do nothing if you are one more NIP from a ban.)

Edited by funkyrobot on Monday 25th April 08:43

[snorky782]

Pete317 said:

But are you sure that while you're paying so much attention to the speed limits that you're not missing unexpected hazards? (or vice-versa)

See: http://www.livescience.com/6727-invisible-gorilla-...

Edited by Pete317 on Sunday 24th April 22:04

That's pathetic. If you really think that drivers can't drive at or close enough to the speed limit without having tosntare at their speedo then you've got a real problem. It's not that difficult to be aware of your speed and more attentive to the situations around you.

Many millions of drivers manage it day in, day out across the country. The fact that a few are so inattentive as to get caught enough times to make a ban a realistic prospect, suggests their driving may well not be as good as they believe it to be.

Oh and the OP's and others comments around speed and motoring enthusiast being completely linked are a bit daft. There may be a correlation, but it's not a straight line link between the two.

[S11Steve]

Agtlaw may be able to clarify this, but I have recently seen a licence with 2x SP30 and an SP50 with a Fixed Penalty 3 points & £100, but followed by another SP30 and a 14 day ban, but no fine imposed.

The driver said that his solicitor who represented him in court swung the 14 day ban instead of a TT99 6 month ban, but the licence is still showing 9 "active" points. I believe that after a TT99 ban is served, all previous points are wiped clean so to speak, with just th TT99 showing.

I saw the licence check myself, but I'm not convinced on the back story. How else could this have occurred?

(Our insurers refused to cover him btw)

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Pete317 said:

But are you sure that while you're paying so much attention to the speed limits that you're not missing unexpected hazards?

Yes, I'm sure.

HTH.

[agtlaw]

S11Steve said:

Agtlaw may be able to clarify this, but I have recently seen a licence with 2x SP30 and an SP50 with a Fixed Penalty 3 points & £100, but followed by another SP30 and a 14 day ban, but no fine imposed.

The driver said that his solicitor who represented him in court swung the 14 day ban instead of a TT99 6 month ban, but the licence is still showing 9 "active" points. I believe that after a TT99 ban is served, all previous points are wiped clean so to speak, with just th TT99 showing.

I saw the licence check myself, but I'm not convinced on the back story. How else could this have occurred?

(Our insurers refused to cover him btw)

Apart from the unusual reference to no fine imposed, that sounds ok. I've had near identical cases.

Historically a 56+ ban wiped clean previous endorsements. However, that is now limited to a totting up disqualification of any length.

A 56+ day ban has the effect of revoking your licence - which simply means completing an application form. No retest.

Edited by agtlaw on Monday 25th April 09:33

[TooMany2cvs]

funkyrobot said:

Also, all points added in 14 months? The OP is on a run of form and needs to keep to the limits.

Quite.

Fail to take the hint, keep that rate up, and you're heading for another six tickets before the first points fall off. Exceptional hardship might work for this set, but it ain't going to work six more times. So all the "Well, we all know it wasn't really a problem, and it's an occupational hazard anyway <shrug>" attitude in the world isn't actually going to keep that licence for very long - and, even if it does, it's going to be very VERY expensive in fines...

[INWB]

TooMany2cvs said:

Quite.

Fail to take the hint, keep that rate up, and you're heading for another six tickets before the first points fall off. Exceptional hardship might work for this set, but it ain't going to work six more times. So all the "Well, we all know it wasn't really a problem, and it's an occupational hazard anyway <shrug>" attitude in the world isn't actually going to keep that licence for very long - and, even if it does, it's going to be very VERY expensive in fines...

You can imagine what is happening though. The guys business is doing well and he is rushing around, working all hours God gives to earn as much as possible while he can. It is called a entrepreneurial work ethic and is increasingly rare.

I hope he avoids ban personally but also I hope he avoids the massive heart attack these people tend to head for. By the sounds of things he needs to look at the business as it seems to be getting too big for him and perhaps delegate more. I could be totally wrong but something has to change and the speeding is just a symptom not the cause IMO.

[Seesure]

roofer said:

Thank you for your contribution, now off you fk, there's a good plank.

LOL - Classic Roofer one liner...

Expect the ban and take a well deserved holiday.... Perhaps a Route 66 tour across the US in some gas guzzling lazy US V8