12 Points on the Horizon...
Discussion
Digby said:
Devil2575 said:
Any system with humans involved is going to produce errors, mistakes, or whatever. I never said otherwise.
Ok for them to f
k up, but not ok for humans to creep over a speed limit, even for a second, often with several decades of blemish free driving behind them?roofer said:
36 years in my case, but apparently, I'm a criminal.
Was that 36 years before your 1st speeding offence, or your 2nd, or your 3rd, or your most recent one?Are you willing to take even the slightest responsibility for your current predicament, even just a smidgen, or is it 100% someone else's fault.
OpulentBob said:
surveyor_101 said:
Red Devil said:
Perhaps you can explain why the gantries for over 12 miles between J5 to J6 of the M25 were displaying red 40mph restriction roundels backed up by Incident on the roadside matrix panels around 04.35am last Saturday. It cannot have had anything to do with volume at that time in the morning or weather conditions and there was no discernible incident or obstruction that I could see. Immensely frustrating having to crawl along in formation for mile after mile for no apparent reason instead of being able to proceed quite safely at the NSL.
My crystal ball has run out of batteries........however there will have been a good reason like lose, live stock or some debris reported and incident response unit or HETO had been in the carriageway and cleared it, since the HE spend 90% of their time analysing each areas statistics. Each areas battles it out in league tables looking at incidents cleared and time network kept flowing. It's in no one area control room MAC contractor or ASC contractors interest to activate gantry signs and reduce the speed limit on a stretch for no reason or keep it on longer than is necessary.40mph limits will be the HE protecting the lives of their staff or contractors or members of the public at that time.
In a time when HATOs were brought in or prior to that roads policing unit would of assessed and possible shut two lane or the entire carriageway. That considered network occupation being key keeping lanes live with a reduced limits seems is better than diverting you elsewhere. It's a lessor of two evils but what do they say you please all people all of the time.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 17th May 21:41
Edited by surveyor_101 on Tuesday 17th May 21:42
They are an absolute embarrasment.
As to the OP. Good luck. I really do not see how you have managed to tot up so many points but then speed enforcement is a farce and simply a revenue stream for the government. It has nothing to do with safety, if it did they would focus on enforcing speed limits where pedestrians could be hit by cars which they never do.
frankenstein12 said:
I have become utterly convinced the HA are run by complete and utter idiots. I have never come across such incompetance. Roadworks projects take 10-20x longer than they ever should do, the matrix signs are always wrong and I do 40-50k miles a year and cannot recall ever coming across a matrix sign with a reason to exist (other than the obvious dont drink and drive or dont hog the middle lane)
They are an absolute embarrasment.
Exclusively carried out and project managed by private companies these daysThey are an absolute embarrasment.
frankenstein12 said:
f it did they would focus on enforcing speed limits where pedestrians could be hit by cars which they never do.
Yes they do, I can think of several areas I know where this is the case.In fact a few years back a couple of neighbours and I were able to request some specific speed enforcement near a pedestrian crossing close to our houses. Police were happy to oblige, three or four times over a couple of months.
roofer said:
Of course I dislike the people doing the job, because they cannot get a proper job. Same as traffic wardens, and high st security guards etc.
What's a proper job? Traffic wardens do an amazing job in London, you wouldn't be able to move for illegally parked cars otherwise. You should go to Bucharest, where they've had to lay them all off due to financial meltdown. People park everywhere, on pavements, in parks, it's a complete nightmare. I bet Romanian roofers do nothing but moan that they can't get around to do their job.Why is being a roofer so much more worthy than being a traffic warden or working in processing in the DVLA? Is it because of the years of dedicated study needed to become a roofer. Did you graduate from Yale with a first in particle acceleration and then have to choose between working on the Large Hadron Collider or roofing?
I'm not knocking roofing. I get nervous standing on a chair to change a light bulb. I certainly couldn't do roofing.So I'm grateful others can.
roofer said:
Devil2575 said:
Wow, you're actually a bit of a clown aren't you and you are good at getting it wrong.
FWIW married with 3 kids and not short of friends.
Whatever you say bud....whatever you say. FWIW married with 3 kids and not short of friends.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
roofer said:
36 years in my case, but apparently, I'm a criminal.
Was that 36 years before your 1st speeding offence, or your 2nd, or your 3rd, or your most recent one?Are you willing to take even the slightest responsibility for your current predicament, even just a smidgen, or is it 100% someone else's fault.
He comes across as a massive cry baby.
It reminds me of the carry on at a football match I watched yesterday where all the players on one team where getting upset that they lost and blaming everyone else but themselves. But then it was a football party and they were all 7
Digby said:
Devil2575 said:
Any system with humans involved is going to produce errors, mistakes, or whatever. I never said otherwise.
Ok for them to fk up, but not ok for humans to creep over a speed limit, even for a second, often with several decades of blemish free driving behind them?Devil2575 said:
Digby said:
Ok for them to fk up, but not ok for humans to creep over a speed limit, even for a second, often with several decades of blemish free driving behind them?
It's not a case of it being ok or not ok. People and systems make mistakes. To err is human. Creeping over the limit for a second is very unlikely to get you a ticket but even then 3 points and a fine isn't the end of the world. k up, but not ok for humans to creep over a speed limit, even for a second, often with several decades of blemish free driving behind them?Not that that's what's being talked about here, anyway.
roofer said:
After being captured by the Hadecs at Epping on the M25 for doing 65 while the variable limit was at 50 due to animals in road ( Guffaw!) it looks like a day in court is on the way.
Ban a certain ? All points gained in the last 14 months...
Any experience greatly appreciated.
Tell the magistrates you are a millionaire who really can't afford the occasional taxi or get someone else to drive for 6 months and it will cause you an exceptional hardship. Seems to work fine in my experience.Ban a certain ? All points gained in the last 14 months...
Any experience greatly appreciated.
The alternative is learn to drive of course.
Devil2575 said:
It reminds me of the carry on at a football match I watched yesterday where all the players on one team where getting upset that they lost and blaming everyone else but themselves. But then it was a football party and they were all 7
Standard football behaviour. Mate of mine played in a proper team that entered the early stages of the FA Cup many years ago, in August. They were drawn against a team form about 8 levels above them and lost 17-0. He was furious that the 11th goal was miles offside, and that was the turning point!Grandad Gaz said:
I've seen a lot of those "animals in road" signs over the years but, never actually seen an offending animal!
Makes you wonder.
That sign was up on the M1 J24-25 not too long ago, just before 25 was a dead fox in lane 1 or straddling lane 1 and HS, can't quite remember. Makes you wonder.
All still intact, hadn't been run over apart from the initial kill.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Standard football behaviour. Mate of mine played in a proper team that entered the early stages of the FA Cup many years ago, in August. They were drawn against a team form about 8 levels above them and lost 17-0. He was furious that the 11th goal was miles offside, and that was the turning point!
I know intelligent, highly educated blokes who turn into complete idiots as soon as the subject turns to football. One guy with a PHD in Chem Eng said that he thought it was a fans duty to shout abuse at the ref if he made a decision against your team regardless of whether it was fair or not, that all people from Sunderland were thick (he's a Geordie) and that Tennis players were over paid because even the ones that didn't win still got prize money. He couldn't see the comparison with football.jdw100 said:
frankenstein12 said:
f it did they would focus on enforcing speed limits where pedestrians could be hit by cars which they never do.
Yes they do, I can think of several areas I know where this is the case.In fact a few years back a couple of neighbours and I were able to request some specific speed enforcement near a pedestrian crossing close to our houses. Police were happy to oblige, three or four times over a couple of months.
jules_s said:
frankenstein12 said:
I have become utterly convinced the HA are run by complete and utter idiots. I have never come across such incompetance. Roadworks projects take 10-20x longer than they ever should do, the matrix signs are always wrong and I do 40-50k miles a year and cannot recall ever coming across a matrix sign with a reason to exist (other than the obvious dont drink and drive or dont hog the middle lane)
They are an absolute embarrasment.
Exclusively carried out and project managed by private companies these daysThey are an absolute embarrasment.
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