12 Points on the Horizon...
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funkyrobot said:
Nanook said:
Hey, OP, aren't you the retard banging on in the other thread about how we should respect the law and the police, and people that don't are scumtard, whatever the f
k that means?
And now you've been caught, because you're a moron that doesn't learn, and you're launching your toys out the pram about it?
Is that about right, yeah?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...k that means?And now you've been caught, because you're a moron that doesn't learn, and you're launching your toys out the pram about it?
Is that about right, yeah?
roofer said:
As previously, I come across them every day. Are his actions justified ? Yes. Because he's trying to uphold the law and being obstructed. If the police had a bit more support from the left wing pc nambite pambie do gooders, these situations wouldn't occur in the first place.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
Digby said:
Devil2575 said:
They also don't get you as soon as you go over the limit, there is a margin.
Which they attempted to make much, much smaller in certain areas. I wonder why?Also, wasn't there going to be zero tolerance policy by the Bedfordshire police and crime commissioner which he admitted was simply to raise funds?
An approach no different to the camera van they hide near to where I work and hundreds if not thousands of others all across the country / world.
Did the zero tolerance policy get anywhere?
Lots of people say lots of silly things all the time but most of the time they don't actually result in anything.
Digby said:
Devil2575 said:
Saying "playground stuff" everytime you're challenged doesn't help your argument.
Likewise acting that way in the first place.Edited by Digby on Monday 26th September 10:36
Devil2575 said:
anonymous said:
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ks spouted in this forum about speed cameras doesn't mean they are not car enthusiasts.My view of speed cameras and road policing is entirely pragmatic. It is a fact of life that I need to accept and get on with. Whether or not I agree with the way it is done is not going to change it and neither is whether it is convenient for me and my interests. The same applies to any law. If I choose to break a law then I do so in the knowledge that it is at my own risk and I am fully aware of the potential consequences.
I must say that those who detest speed cameras and those connected with them do come across a little bit like people who are unable to come to terms with current realities.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
funkyrobot said:
Nanook said:
Hey, OP, aren't you the retard banging on in the other thread about how we should respect the law and the police, and people that don't are scumtard, whatever the fk that means?
And now you've been caught, because you're a moron that doesn't learn, and you're launching your toys out the pram about it?
Is that about right, yeah?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...k that means?And now you've been caught, because you're a moron that doesn't learn, and you're launching your toys out the pram about it?
Is that about right, yeah?
roofer said:
As previously, I come across them every day. Are his actions justified ? Yes. Because he's trying to uphold the law and being obstructed. If the police had a bit more support from the left wing pc nambite pambie do gooders, these situations wouldn't occur in the first place.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
Devil2575 said:
I'm sorry but this is just rubbish. Just because not everyone subscribes to all the bks spouted in this forum about speed cameras doesn't mean they are not car enthusiasts.
My view of speed cameras and road policing is entirely pragmatic. It is a fact of life that I need to accept and get on with. Whether or not I agree with the way it is done is not going to change it and neither is whether it is convenient for me and my interests. The same applies to any law. If I choose to break a law then I do so in the knowledge that it is at my own risk and I am fully aware of the potential consequences.
Couldn't agree more. Life is too short to throw a massive hissy fit about everything I don't agree completely with.ks spouted in this forum about speed cameras doesn't mean they are not car enthusiasts.My view of speed cameras and road policing is entirely pragmatic. It is a fact of life that I need to accept and get on with. Whether or not I agree with the way it is done is not going to change it and neither is whether it is convenient for me and my interests. The same applies to any law. If I choose to break a law then I do so in the knowledge that it is at my own risk and I am fully aware of the potential consequences.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
funkyrobot said:
Nanook said:
Hey, OP, aren't you the retard banging on in the other thread about how we should respect the law and the police, and people that don't are scumtard, whatever the fk that means?
And now you've been caught, because you're a moron that doesn't learn, and you're launching your toys out the pram about it?
Is that about right, yeah?
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...k that means?And now you've been caught, because you're a moron that doesn't learn, and you're launching your toys out the pram about it?
Is that about right, yeah?
roofer said:
As previously, I come across them every day. Are his actions justified ? Yes. Because he's trying to uphold the law and being obstructed. If the police had a bit more support from the left wing pc nambite pambie do gooders, these situations wouldn't occur in the first place.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
What a monumental bellend.singlecoil said:
I must say that those who detest speed cameras and those connected with them do come across a little bit like people who are unable to come to terms with current realities.
Agreed, in the same way as the only people obsessed with food are the morbidly obese and the anorexic. The OP and his ilk foam at the mouth over speed cameras, whereas normal pragmatic human beings just shrug their shoulders, modify their behaviour so as not to fall foul of them, and get on with their lives. With speeding it's 4 strikes and you're out. And then only in a 3 year period. I'm struggling to find this outrageously prohibitive or indeed indicative of the much heralded "war on the motorist".
Devil2575 said:
You said that something happened quite a lot, I asked how you knew this. I understand you have your own example and you may have other examples, but to say that something happens quite a lot implies something more. I simply challeneged you on this. This isn't playground stuff, this is what we all should be doing everytime someone makes bold claims like that.
And I told you you can adapt percentages to suit any way you like.You know this, just as you know nobody has a figure to hand as an overall statistic because it won't likely have ever been measured.
Playground stuff, exactly as I said. Try to be grown up.
There have been thousands of drivers fined wrongly for many different reasons. I class that as "quite a lot" Some fight back, some don't even know. Either way, it happens, will happen again and trying to make it appear as though I'm wrong in any way regarding that doesn't change anything.
That's just part of a system often used to make money and hit targets. I don't like or appreciate that way of operating and as with recent cases abroad, some of those involved with cameras and links to the UK systems have been convicted of corruption, bribery and numerous other offences. The entire thing needs shaking up and maybe 'mistakes' wouldn't happen quite a lot?
Responses to that may include:
Doesn't matter, it's not in the UK..
Doesn't matter, if it is..
Doesn't matter, most companies do this to get what they want..
Doesn't matter if it is all about the money..
What are the stats to show how many are corrupt and how many are not?
Doesn't matter if drivers are fined due to human error / suspect set ups etc..
Doesn't matter if they refuse FOI requests to hide how cameras may not be working..
Doesn't matter if statistics are altered..
Sold as and purchased as blank cheque books, able to make buckets of cash that you won't know what to do with? Doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter, doesn't matter, doesn't matter....
Always an excuse for why it doesn't matter.
It has turned very sour and money related in many instances and all I want, as you should want, is for the system to be as it was intended; to catch only the very worst offenders and not be based around greed and targets and lowered limits with that in mind.
Digby said:
...all I want, as you should want, is for the system to be as it was intended; to catch only the very worst offenders...
What exactly do you mean by "the very worst offenders"?AIUI, the system was designed to encourage people stay within the posted limits. In that regard it seems to work pretty well. People do go over a bit, of course they do, but there is quite a bit of leeway before they get prosecuted.
Digby said:
I want, as you should want, is for the system to be as it was intended; to catch only the very worst offenders
Does the OP qualify? 3 speeding offences already, worried that he has another on the way, and still boasting about doing 80 in a 60. And not someone who drives for pleasure, but needs his licence to make a living!!!Very defeatist and passive attitude by some here. It must be nice to see everything done by quangos, police, local authority and the state as 'better' and 'progress' and 'good for you'. I wonder if that is your general approach to life or maybe you actually don't think all those 'in charge' get everything bang on and do not always make the world a better place but just cant be @rsed about it all. I guess that is fine in a lemming sort of way but others challenge inconsistencies and things that do not bring a panacea of positives - yes even when they tell you they do!!! I've even held a placard outside our local library and knocked on our MP's door about welfare issues. But hey ho...we are all different and it must be nice not to get hot under the collar about things and just accept the status quo and inevitable further development of that - be it closing local hospitals or fudging cancelled operation statistics or turning our highways into a Big Brother Surveillance State linked to your bank account by DD!!! Now pass my shiny hat 
Ken Figenus said:
Very defeatist and passive attitude by some here. It must be nice to see everything done by quangos, police, local authority and the state as 'better' and 'progress' and 'good for you'. I wonder if that is your general approach to life or maybe you actually don't think all those 'in charge' get everything bang on and do not always make the world a better place but just cant be @rsed about it all. I guess that is fine in a lemming sort of way but others challenge inconsistencies and things that do not bring a panacea of positives - yes even when they tell you they do!!! I've even held a placard outside our local library and knocked on our MP's door about welfare issues. But hey ho...we are all different and it must be nice not to get hot under the collar about things and just accept the status quo and inevitable further development of that - be it closing local hospitals or fudging cancelled operation statistics or turning our highways into a Big Brother Surveillance State linked to your bank account by DD!!! Now pass my shiny hat
Whinging about it on PH isn't exactly being proactive & isn't going to change anything either is it?If you've stood outside your local library with a placard & knocked on your MPs door about welfare issues I'm guessing it's because you felt sufficiently about the issue to spur you to that action.
I'm not compelled to do any such action about speed cameras because I don't have the depth of feeling about the issue that you had with those that spurred you to action. Just as there are other issues in the world that you don't go out with a placard for, or knock on your MPs door about, cameras don't have sufficient negative impact in my life for me to be spurred to such things.
Ken Figenus said:
Very defeatist and passive attitude by some here.
I believe I've asked you before what you are doing about what you see as the very unsatisfactory state of affairs vis-à-vis speed limit enforcement, and if I'm not mistaken you alluded to 'behind the scenes' stuff that you couldn't discuss here.I'd love to know more about that, because otherwise your own attitude might seem a bit defeatist too (unless you count posting on the subject on PH something that is likely to bring about the change you would like.
Ken Figenus said:
Very defeatist and passive attitude by some here.
Speaking for myself it isn't passive or defeatist.Almost everyone on PH drives over the speed limits some of the time. Speed limits are designed for the lowest common denominator and there are many places it is safe to exceed it and everyone uses their own judgement as to when it is safe
My view is that if you are so unobservant as to be caught speeding 4 times in a year then you are frankly dangerous over the speed limit. You ARE the lowest common denominator for whom the limits are designed to save the general public from.
singlecoil said:
I believe I've asked you before what you are doing about what you see as the very unsatisfactory state of affairs vis-à-vis speed limit enforcement, and if I'm not mistaken you alluded to 'behind the scenes' stuff that you couldn't discuss here.
I'd love to know more about that, because otherwise your own attitude might seem a bit defeatist too (unless you count posting on the subject on PH something that is likely to bring about the change you would like.
I don't think posting here is pointless - otherwise the passive 'fine and dandy', 'its all good' approach would become the norm! 'They' may then also run riot without any 'pointless' dissenting voices and checks and balances!I'd love to know more about that, because otherwise your own attitude might seem a bit defeatist too (unless you count posting on the subject on PH something that is likely to bring about the change you would like.
Its not really about me though, so I won't get drawn on 'me', only the issue, but I have produced a video for a campaign group on 'anti motorist' issues in Bristol - much like I did for an Asian charity tackling the dog meat trade (one is annoying and rather unfair but the other is hear wrenchingly horrendous - perspective is not lost here...). I also challenge BS when I see it and identify it and this may include correspondence with people who may administer or vote on such matters etc. If stuff bothers me it bothers me but, as I said, its not about me! Its about a far bigger picture, and yes indeed I could be wasting my time!
blindswelledrat said:
..............if you are so unobservant as to be caught speeding 4 times in a year then you are frankly dangerous over the speed limit.
You ARE the lowest common denominator for whom the limits are designed to save the general public from................
Headshot. BOOM!You ARE the lowest common denominator for whom the limits are designed to save the general public from................
Edited by Soov535 on Monday 26th September 16:13
blindswelledrat said:
Speaking for myself it isn't passive or defeatist.
Almost everyone on PH drives over the speed limits some of the time. Speed limits are designed for the lowest common denominator and there are many places it is safe to exceed it and everyone uses their own judgement as to when it is safe
My view is that if you are so unobservant as to be caught speeding 4 times in a year then you are frankly dangerous over the speed limit. You ARE the lowest common denominator for whom the limits are designed to save the general public from.
Caught 4 times in THREE years mate not 1. Wouldn't know myself - clean licence for over a decade Almost everyone on PH drives over the speed limits some of the time. Speed limits are designed for the lowest common denominator and there are many places it is safe to exceed it and everyone uses their own judgement as to when it is safe
My view is that if you are so unobservant as to be caught speeding 4 times in a year then you are frankly dangerous over the speed limit. You ARE the lowest common denominator for whom the limits are designed to save the general public from.
Picked up a new car in Poole - the whole county seems to be 50mph now. That is the new de facto NSL. I found it very frustrating at times as I risked points passing slower vehicles. Doesn't sit with me to get 3 points for 65 during a safe overtake - but that is exactly what they would administer... All good... Expect more of the less...
Ken Figenus said:
blindswelledrat said:
Speaking for myself it isn't passive or defeatist.
Almost everyone on PH drives over the speed limits some of the time. Speed limits are designed for the lowest common denominator and there are many places it is safe to exceed it and everyone uses their own judgement as to when it is safe
My view is that if you are so unobservant as to be caught speeding 4 times in a year then you are frankly dangerous over the speed limit. You ARE the lowest common denominator for whom the limits are designed to save the general public from.
I found it very frustrating at times as I risked points passing slower vehicles. Almost everyone on PH drives over the speed limits some of the time. Speed limits are designed for the lowest common denominator and there are many places it is safe to exceed it and everyone uses their own judgement as to when it is safe
My view is that if you are so unobservant as to be caught speeding 4 times in a year then you are frankly dangerous over the speed limit. You ARE the lowest common denominator for whom the limits are designed to save the general public from.
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