12 Points on the Horizon...
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wazztie16 said:
Grandad Gaz said:
I've seen a lot of those "animals in road" signs over the years but, never actually seen an offending animal!
Makes you wonder.
That sign was up on the M1 J24-25 not too long ago, just before 25 was a dead fox in lane 1 or straddling lane 1 and HS, can't quite remember. Makes you wonder.
All still intact, hadn't been run over apart from the initial kill.
Devil2575 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Devil2575 said:
Digby said:
There have been thousands of drivers fined wrongly for many different reasons. I class that as "quite a lot"
Ok, what is the source of this "Thousands"?However, when the total number of fixed penalties issued every year is in the millions, I wouldn't call that "quite a lot".
WARNING: EVIDENCE BEYOND THIS POINT...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Thousands sounds plausible but that doesn't make it true though.
Devil2575 said:
In my job I hear lots of plausible reasons why things happen every day and it might not surprise you to learn that I frequently discover them to be incorrect. Data is everything and personal testimony is the least valuable source of evidence when trying to find the truth.
Quite.Nanook said:
anonymous said:
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You are a f
king moron.Feel free to use your thesaurus to try and look clever, chuck in the odd latin phrase if it makes you feel better, but none of that changes the fact that you're a f
king idiot, pretending you're not.And that's before I even address your point, where you seem to struggle to see any sort of difference between doing 35 on a completely empty road, and facing the consequences or having done no harm to anyone, or killing someone, you complete f
kwit.Have a nice day, dumbass.
I would like to think that we all know perfectly well what cmoose intended by the analogy he made, and that we should let any arguments about that drop now. And there is nothing wrong with using Latin phrases or any words from any other languages when they are in common use among educated people.
funkyrobot said:
OP seems to have gone quiet now. 
I got an email to say one of my posts had been removed because I had quoted one of his more vitriolic attacks on me. I suspect he's been banned or at least given a warning. Dropping the C bomb doesn't go down well on PH. I know this because I've been banned for such an offence in the past.Devil2575 said:
I got an email to say one of my posts had been removed because I had quoted one of his more vitriolic attacks on me. I suspect he's been banned or at least given a warning. Dropping the C bomb doesn't go down well on PH. I know this because I've been banned for such an offence in the past.
If you get banned for dropping one c bomb, that's a bit harsh. But I think you should get banned if you drop it 4 times in any 3 year period. Surely no one could complain about that, especially as everyone would know in advance. TwigtheWonderkid said:
Devil2575 said:
I got an email to say one of my posts had been removed because I had quoted one of his more vitriolic attacks on me. I suspect he's been banned or at least given a warning. Dropping the C bomb doesn't go down well on PH. I know this because I've been banned for such an offence in the past.
If you get banned for dropping one c bomb, that's a bit harsh. But I think you should get banned if you drop it 4 times in any 3 year period. Surely no one could complain about that, especially as everyone would know in advance. 
anonymous said:
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I would hazard a guess that the reason why we have set limits and we punish people for exceeding them regardless of whether it was safe or not is because it is not about absolutes, it is about a sliding scale of risk. In lots of situations we set limits on how things can and cannot operate, not because there is a sudden cut off point where it goes from being perfectly safe to dangerous but because it is not always sensible to leave that decision to individuals. People have different tollerance levels for risk. Some people are happy to take much bigger risks than others. An event can involve a significantly increased risk of injury without ever resulting in a dangerous situation. Trying to determine whether or not that was as a result of a highly skilled operator or just pure luck is difficult. Also many people may well believe they are highly skilled but not be correct. We have a rule on site that you do not drop objects from height regardless. There will be many situations where it is perfectly safe to do so but many where it is not. To allow it is some instances and only punish people if we spot them and decide that they were unsafe would be a very foolish way to proceed and would inevitably lead to someone being injured or killed.
anonymous said:
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Why should car enthusiasts be any more sympathetic towards those who are banned under the totting up regs than non car enthusiasts? Which is what we are talking about on this thread. Should a football fan be more sympathetic to another fan getting banned from the ground for persistent misconduct, than a non football fan?
I don't follow the logic.
anonymous said:
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I'm still not seeing the correlation between enthusiasm and sympathy. I cannot see why an enthusiast should be more sympathetic than a member of the general public. Either might be sympathetic, or not. I don't see it as my place or yours to call for a change in thinking. I'll be sympathetic, or not, to whatever misbehaviour I choose. As a very occasional drinker, I might be more sympathetic to an alcoholic than a vineyard owner who is an enthusiast of alcohol. Or I may not be. I don't see the link. And I don't care what you think I should think.
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