12 Points on the Horizon...

[esxste]

roofer said:

Thank you for your contribution, now off you fk, there's a good plank.

Not being funny; but you need to take that contribution seriously.

Not many here will be judging you for breaking the speed limit; especially through those frustrating 50's on an empty motorway.

Many will however are wondering what the hell you were thinking not following the law to the letter when you're on 9 points and driving on a motorway section that has speed cameras.

[surveyor_101]

CoolHands said:

st!! Say your your missus was driving!

That only works if your not having an affair with someone else on the side and plan in a couple of years to ditch her,

[TooMany2cvs]

INWB said:

By the sounds of things he needs to look at the business as it seems to be getting too big for him and perhaps delegate more.

Perhaps a ban (for this ticket or the next one or the one after? It won't be long...) would be the slap-around-the-chops needed? Employ somebody to do all the mug's-game running around like a tt, and focus on actually running the business?

Coming soon: "I employ somebody to run around like a tt doing estimates and quotes and job inspections and... Now the silly sod's come to me and told me that he's picked up 9pts in a year, and has just had another set through. He obviously doesn't give a st about where this leaves my business. Can I sack him?"

INWB said:

I could be totally wrong but something has to change and the speeding is just a symptom not the cause IMO.

Yup.

[surveyor_101]

roofer said:

After being captured by the Hadecs at Epping on the M25 for doing 65 while the variable limit was at 50 due to animals in road ( Guffaw!) it looks like a day in court is on the way.

Ban a certain ? All points gained in the last 14 months...

Any experience greatly appreciated.

Whilst having been in a similar position 11 years ago, I struggled even in my younger days to rack up 4 speeding offenses in 14 months one every 3 months! After teh first 2 some restraint might of been nice. I was on the m25 last week and the gantries are pretty clear. Whilst not mums net that means your observations and self control probably need working on.

That aside if you lose your licence what are the consequences for you and how will effect anyone else in your life?

If you can afford a good solicitor get one as yr chances of avoiding a 6 month ban look slim from here.

[surveyor_101]

Geekman said:

I'd advise thinking about an exceptional hardship argument (focusing on exceptional hardship to your dependants, not yourself). If you post it up on Fightback Forums you should get some good advice, sadly on here you'll mostly get sanctimonious dheads saying "don't speed" or "take it like a man" or some similar crap.

I appreciate this is petrol head site and behaving like a member of brake is not really in keeping with ethos or helpful to the OP's plight!

HOWEVER...

There is naff all point pleading exceptional hardship get no ban or a shorter one in one case I know 21 days. Then spending another 3 months speeding everywhere and getting yet another court date.

If the lesson hasn't been learn't IE once you start getting lots of points you only have two options slow down or except a ban.

[eatcustard]

Getting 12 points in 14 months will not go down well with the judge.

I see a Ban hammer of 6 months and nothing less

[TwigtheWonderkid]

surveyor_101 said:

Geekman said:

I'd advise thinking about an exceptional hardship argument (focusing on exceptional hardship to your dependants, not yourself). If you post it up on Fightback Forums you should get some good advice, sadly on here you'll mostly get sanctimonious dheads saying "don't speed" or "take it like a man" or some similar crap.

I appreciate this is petrol head site and behaving like a member of brake is not really in keeping with ethos or helpful to the OP's plight!

HOWEVER...

There is naff all point pleading exceptional hardship get no ban or a shorter one in one case I know 21 days. Then spending another 3 months speeding everywhere and getting yet another court date.

If the lesson hasn't been learn't IE once you start getting lots of points you only have two options slow down or except a ban.

Exactly right. Has the OP actually taken on board the fact that he needs to stop speeding. I see no evidence of it in his posts.

If not, exceptional hardship pleading is a waste of time, as you are just putting of the inevitable. may as well get the ban now and get it over with.

[uk_vette]

You know, some times it's the luck of the draw.
Not being smart or anything, but you were just unlucky.
I have had zero point for several years, ant to be honest, everyday I am out, I don't stick to the limits.
I have been lucky.
Unfortunately your luck ran out.
Chance we all take, sure one day I will get caught, but until then,with zero points, I feel I just don't care.
I do know my area very well.

[Geekman]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Exactly right. Has the OP actually taken on board the fact that he needs to stop speeding. I see no evidence of it in his posts.

If not, exceptional hardship pleading is a waste of time, as you are just putting of the inevitable. may as well get the ban now and get it over with.

It looks like he's taken it on board to me, he's merely annoyed at being punished for something that wasn't actually dangerous. Regardless, he hasn't asked for opinions on his driving, so why bother giving them? Unless he's mentally retarded I'm sure he's well aware that he needs to respect speed limits to avoid another ban.

[surveyor_101]

uk_vette said:

You know, some times it's the luck of the draw.
Not being smart or anything, but you were just unlucky.
I have had zero point for several years, ant to be honest, everyday I am out, I don't stick to the limits.
I have been lucky.
Unfortunately your luck ran out.
Chance we all take, sure one day I will get caught, but until then,with zero points, I feel I just don't care.
I do know my area very well.

Getting caught 4 times in 14 months isn't luck running out its habitually not concentrating or deliberately speeding alot and not changing your ways as the tickets and points start to accrue. If the OP doesn't accept that current driving style is problematic to retaining a licence then maybe a 6 month ban is best as they have a fresh 9 points to play with once the bans over. This it isn't my doing attitude doesn't wash well with JPs in my experience.

[wack]

In 39 years of driving (25 at 70k a year)I have one speeding conviction and that was when in roadworks on the m6 they suddenly disappeared and I assumed I'd missed the 70 sign so went back to 70 but it was a gap in the middle of 2 sets with the police cash cow waiting in the middle.

Many times I've been through Birmingham middle of the day to find the variable on

Total BS to generate cash , no way the traffic is heavy enough to need it on

Apparently 43% of drivers with 12 points kept their licence


http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/1861.html

[Laurel Green]

CoolHands said:

st!! Say your your missus was driving!

A chap recently got nine months and banned for eighteen months (starting from release) for giving a fictitious name and address for doing so.

[bad company]

Seesure said:

Expect the ban and take a well deserved holiday.... Perhaps a Route 66 tour across the US in some gas guzzling lazy US V8

Route 66 would not be a lot of fun without a driving license.

Good luck op and ignore some of the sanctimonious A R Soles on the thread.

[agtlaw]

Laurel Green said:

A chap recently got nine months and banned for eighteen months (starting from release) for giving a fictitious name and address for doing so.

Interesting. Is there a newspaper link? (Had a quick look, couldn't find it based on limited info given) n.b. I don't doubt that this is true.

[Laurel Green]

agtlaw said:

Interesting. Is there a newspaper link? (Had a quick look, couldn't find it based on limited info given) n.b. I don't doubt that this is true.

Sorry, don't have a link but it happened in Linconshire.

From an e-mail:

A driver from Lincolnshire has
been jailed for 9 months for
lying to Police about who was
driving when his rental car
was caught on three speed
cameras.

Vincent McCaffrey was first
caught by a camera on the A1
and then set off another two
on the A52 near Grantham.

When he was asked by Police
to provide the name of the
driver he claimed that a man
called "Paul Smith" was driving
at the time of the alleged
offences.

But police checked out the
addresses Vincent had given
and discovered that no one
called "Paul Smith" had any
connection with the addresses.

Vincent admitted three charges
of doing an act intended to
pervert the course of justice
and despite the guilty plea,
was jailed for nine months!

He was also banned from driving
for 18 months which will start
AFTER he is released.

Judge John Pini QC, passing
sentence, told him: "The courts
have to deal with these offences
by immediate custodial sentences."

That's an interesting choice of words.

The Police and particularly Judges
absolutely hate being lied to and they
take perverting the course of justice
very, very seriously.

This sort of ruse might have worked
10 years ago, when the Police weren't
so organised, but as this case
demonstrates, lying is simply not
worth it.

Can you imagine sitting in prison for
9 months because of going a little over
the speed limit past 3 cameras, and
then telling what you viewed as a
little "white lie"?

There are plenty of proper and legally
sound ways to fight speeding tickets
these days with aggressive and
experienced specialist Lawyers.

There aren't any guarantees of
course (if there were then no one
would ever have to pay a speeding
fine!), but as we all know, people
with access to the best legal
resources will always have a massive
advantage in such matters over
people who don't.

That's why I always recommend that
all BTST Members are also a
Member of DriveProtect.

It gives you what was before only
available to wealthy people (top
quality specialist Solicitors), for a
small monthly membership fee.

[agtlaw]

Thanks. I found it*

That looks like an unlawful sentence, as the extended driving disqualification provisions do not apply to offences committed wholly or partly before 13th April 2015. I might write to his solicitors.

• http://www.granthamjournal.co.uk/news/local/caytho...

[Laurel Green]

agtlaw said:

Thanks. I found it*

That looks like an unlawful sentence, as the extended driving disqualification provisions do not apply to offences committed wholly or partly before 13th April 2015. I might write to his solicitors.

• http://www.granthamjournal.co.uk/news/local/caytho...

Very interesting. Thanks for the link.

[wazztie16]

Grandad Gaz said:

I've seen a lot of those "animals in road" signs over the years but, never actually seen an offending animal!

Makes you wonder.

Same, however I did once stop off the motorway on the way back from Scotland to England near the border to phone the police and report sheep VERY close to the carriageway with no barrier between them and the road, didn't know where I was and what services I was near or anything so could only tell them where I'd passed, I was heading south and there were sheep next to the motorway. They'd come over a hill and decided the wrong side of it was the best place to have a picnic (okay, eat grass).

I probably set off about 15 miles worth of signals knowing me!

[bitchstewie]

esxste said:

Not being funny; but you need to take that contribution seriously.

Not many here will be judging you for breaking the speed limit; especially through those frustrating 50's on an empty motorway.

Many will however are wondering what the hell you were thinking not following the law to the letter when you're on 9 points and driving on a motorway section that has speed cameras.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts tbh. The OP does say they're all gained within the past year or so which suggests some interesting times ahead.

I'll fk off now, like a good plank.

[TooMany2cvs]

uk_vette said:

You know, some times it's the luck of the draw.
Not being smart or anything, but you were just unlucky.

bks.

He knew the m'way was temporarily limited to 50. He thought it wasn't important, so knowingly did 30% over that restriction. He knew or should have guessed that there were likely to be cameras on it. He knew he was on nine points. That combo isn't unlucky.