12 Points on the Horizon...
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Devil2575 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Well I had nothing to do with getting Roofer locked out of his own thread. I'm guessing no one else did either. I suspect he got himself locked out for his foul mouthed tirade, but true to form, it's everyone else's fault.
I was the subject of several of his abusive rants but didn't hit the report button. My guess would be that a moderator spotted his posts and acted. He comes across as a legend in his own mind.
anonymous said:
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This. So much this.The average person who uses the road is exactly that - "average". Within that, there is a HUGE range of talent when we take into account the entire driving population, hence the reason for a speed limit that applies to the lowest common denominator. The low-skilled driver.
There is, however, no correlation (in my observation) between driving fast or owning a fast car, and driving safely. Funnily enough, it's almost always those driving sporty cars that stick out like a sore thumb for behaving inappropriately and driving over the limit.
Increasing or removing the limit gives these people, everyone from the incompetent to the over-confident, further mandate to endanger others. Whether you like it or not, increase speed brings about inherently increased risk - that really shouldn't be up for debate.
Me, I'm glad that "Big Brother" (or whoever you people call him today) is watching over the "average" driver with vigilance.
I'll continue to take my chances, and this is the reason I won't complain when I'm caught.
C70R said:
This. So much this.
The average person who uses the road is exactly that - "average". Within that, there is a HUGE range of talent when we take into account the entire driving population, hence the reason for a speed limit that applies to the lowest common denominator. The low-skilled driver.
There is, however, no correlation (in my observation) between driving fast or owning a fast car, and driving safely. Funnily enough, it's almost always those driving sporty cars that stick out like a sore thumb for behaving inappropriately and driving over the limit.
Increasing or removing the limit gives these people, everyone from the incompetent to the over-confident, further mandate to endanger others. Whether you like it or not, increase speed brings about inherently increased risk - that really shouldn't be up for debate.
Me, I'm glad that "Big Brother" (or whoever you people call him today) is watching over the "average" driver with vigilance.
I'll continue to take my chances, and this is the reason I won't complain when I'm caught.
Pretty much agree 100%.The average person who uses the road is exactly that - "average". Within that, there is a HUGE range of talent when we take into account the entire driving population, hence the reason for a speed limit that applies to the lowest common denominator. The low-skilled driver.
There is, however, no correlation (in my observation) between driving fast or owning a fast car, and driving safely. Funnily enough, it's almost always those driving sporty cars that stick out like a sore thumb for behaving inappropriately and driving over the limit.
Increasing or removing the limit gives these people, everyone from the incompetent to the over-confident, further mandate to endanger others. Whether you like it or not, increase speed brings about inherently increased risk - that really shouldn't be up for debate.
Me, I'm glad that "Big Brother" (or whoever you people call him today) is watching over the "average" driver with vigilance.
I'll continue to take my chances, and this is the reason I won't complain when I'm caught.
The bit in bold reminds me of something James May said "Ostentatiousness magnifies prattishness" which i think is very true.
For me, being a petrolhead means taking extra care not to drive like a d1ck. "We" petrolheads should be setting examples of good driving.
C70R said:
This. So much this.
The average person who uses the road is exactly that - "average". Within that, there is a HUGE range of talent when we take into account the entire driving population, hence the reason for a speed limit that applies to the lowest common denominator. The low-skilled driver.
There is, however, no correlation (in my observation) between driving fast or owning a fast car, and driving safely. Funnily enough, it's almost always those driving sporty cars that stick out like a sore thumb for behaving inappropriately and driving over the limit.
Increasing or removing the limit gives these people, everyone from the incompetent to the over-confident, further mandate to endanger others. Whether you like it or not, increase speed brings about inherently increased risk - that really shouldn't be up for debate.
Me, I'm glad that "Big Brother" (or whoever you people call him today) is watching over the "average" driver with vigilance.
I'll continue to take my chances, and this is the reason I won't complain when I'm caught.
Classic case of this is something I posted on another thread. Someone in my local town owns a brand new Lambo. He drives it like an absolute tool.The average person who uses the road is exactly that - "average". Within that, there is a HUGE range of talent when we take into account the entire driving population, hence the reason for a speed limit that applies to the lowest common denominator. The low-skilled driver.
There is, however, no correlation (in my observation) between driving fast or owning a fast car, and driving safely. Funnily enough, it's almost always those driving sporty cars that stick out like a sore thumb for behaving inappropriately and driving over the limit.
Increasing or removing the limit gives these people, everyone from the incompetent to the over-confident, further mandate to endanger others. Whether you like it or not, increase speed brings about inherently increased risk - that really shouldn't be up for debate.
Me, I'm glad that "Big Brother" (or whoever you people call him today) is watching over the "average" driver with vigilance.
I'll continue to take my chances, and this is the reason I won't complain when I'm caught.
It sticks out more than anything because it's a Lambo and the noise it makes is lovely. However, I detest how it sounds when he's using it to see how fast it can accelerate down our 30mph residential road.
anonymous said:
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This, combined with the flowery obfuscation, is probably the biggest load of old b
ks (albeit persuasively argued) that I've ever read in my life.Let's take this four-way observation as a demonstration of the PH/enthusiast attitude to speeding. Imagine each of these as a summary of a thread:
Person A - 40mph in a 30mph limit, contrite and apologetic. Probably doesn't cop much flak for his behaviour.
Person B - 40mph in a 30mph limit, moans about "entrapment"/"revenue"/"scamera". Get resoundingly hounded out of his thread.
Person C - 105mph in a 70mph limit, holds up hands and accepts punishment. Receives a few virtual 'tuts' and head-shakes, but probably passes unnoticed.
Person D - 105mph in a 70mph limit, bangs on about how it was "appropriate for conditions" and how he's "a competent driver", complaining how unfair the law's application is. 30-page thread, with the vast majority of PH calling him a complete wally.
I personally see the above as fairly representative of the PH/enthusiast attitude. Further, I believe that comes back to the much-laboured earlier point about the speeder's attitudes to punishment (rather than the law itself) being the differentiator in how they are treated.
Countdown said:
C70R said:
This. So much this.
The average person who uses the road is exactly that - "average". Within that, there is a HUGE range of talent when we take into account the entire driving population, hence the reason for a speed limit that applies to the lowest common denominator. The low-skilled driver.
There is, however, no correlation (in my observation) between driving fast or owning a fast car, and driving safely. Funnily enough, it's almost always those driving sporty cars that stick out like a sore thumb for behaving inappropriately and driving over the limit.
Increasing or removing the limit gives these people, everyone from the incompetent to the over-confident, further mandate to endanger others. Whether you like it or not, increase speed brings about inherently increased risk - that really shouldn't be up for debate.
Me, I'm glad that "Big Brother" (or whoever you people call him today) is watching over the "average" driver with vigilance.
I'll continue to take my chances, and this is the reason I won't complain when I'm caught.
Pretty much agree 100%.The average person who uses the road is exactly that - "average". Within that, there is a HUGE range of talent when we take into account the entire driving population, hence the reason for a speed limit that applies to the lowest common denominator. The low-skilled driver.
There is, however, no correlation (in my observation) between driving fast or owning a fast car, and driving safely. Funnily enough, it's almost always those driving sporty cars that stick out like a sore thumb for behaving inappropriately and driving over the limit.
Increasing or removing the limit gives these people, everyone from the incompetent to the over-confident, further mandate to endanger others. Whether you like it or not, increase speed brings about inherently increased risk - that really shouldn't be up for debate.
Me, I'm glad that "Big Brother" (or whoever you people call him today) is watching over the "average" driver with vigilance.
I'll continue to take my chances, and this is the reason I won't complain when I'm caught.
The bit in bold reminds me of something James May said "Ostentatiousness magnifies prattishness" which i think is very true.
For me, being a petrolhead means taking extra care not to drive like a d1ck. "We" petrolheads should be setting examples of good driving.
So a bad driver who knows they're a bad driver will be safer than a good driver who thinks they're brilliant.
That's the problem with young drivers. The bad ones think they're ok, the ok ones thing they're good, and the good ones think they're fantastic. And therein lies the danger.
I have a cousin, in his 60s, who is utterly useless. But he knows it. It's a family joke. He drives slowly, he will only emerge from a side road if there's a massive gap, etc etc. He's never had an accident and I doubt he ever will. I'm sure a few other t
ts have had accidents, trying to make up for lost time after being stuck behind him, but that's their problem. Ken Figenus said:
This Dorset blanket 50 was not set by an MP - it was set by a local quango honcho keen to make his mark and crow about a 1% drop in fatalities because a lorry driver didn't nod off in that stats period this year.
I think you're confusing the basic legal concept with the fine detail of specifically local implementation.Exaggerating my position illegally (!) in no way furthers yours!
The other points {no pun intended
} made on the futility of this discussion are pretty fair as I think half the disinterested driving public are probably approving or apathetic. The other 49% bit ch and moan when it affects them. The other 1% could be me and three others here! From small acorns etc... 😉Ken Figenus said:
Ken Figenus said:
This Dorset blanket 50 was not set by an MP - it was set by a local quango honcho keen to make his mark and crow about a 1% drop in fatalities because a lorry driver didn't nod off in that stats period this year.
I think you're confusing the basic legal concept with the fine detail of specifically local implementation.And I think I'm doing exactly and totally the opposite! I don't want the UK turned into a derestricted free for all autobahn - honest! And I don't want the 'creep' of the opposite either. But I do see it happening.
Exaggerating my position illegally (!) in no way furthers yours!
The other points {no pun intended
} made on the futility of this discussion are pretty fair as I think half the disinterested driving public are probably approving or apathetic. The other 49% bit ch and moan when it affects them. The other 1% could be me and three others here! From small acorns etc... ??Edited by KevinCamaroSS on Friday 30th September 19:14
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