Employer claiming overtaken annual leave

[superlightr]

oyster said:

rs990 said:

JZZ30 said:

Situation as follows: -

Job started 2012. Standard holiday entitlement of 23 days. 24.5 days agreed at start due to previous service. ('97-'04, 2008, 2011)

This had increased to 27 days for 2015/16. All 27 days holiday requested and authorised.
Notice given (4weeks) to finish 28th February.

Out of interest, do you have a contract with the NHS or a third party? It's been a while since I was there, but the standard entitlement in NHS Scotland was 27 days + 8 Public holidays, rising to 29+8 after 5 years and 33+8 after 10 years.

33 days leave plus bank holidays????
Plus an average of 10 sick days.

So the NHS works a 4 days week?

No wonder they're up in arms about a 7-day NHS.

And no wonder it squanders more than £100bn a year and still wonders where the money goes.

27 day + 8 Public Holidays on starting !! then 29+8 after 5 years !!

Just compare that to a normal private sector job and it will be 20days and if lucky the 8 bank holidays.
Dont start on the pensions......

But yes thats one of the reasons the NHS is in such crisis -

[Chris Type R]

superlightr said:

27 day + 8 Public Holidays on starting !! then 29+8 after 5 years !!

Just compare that to a normal private sector job...

Not on topic... compare to being self-employed - 10 days plus some of the bank holidays & not all of the weekends.

[General Fluff]

I work in the private sector and my last 2 perm jobs gave 25 plus bank hols and 27 plus. My job is far less stressful and tiring than that of a doctor or nurse. I wouldn't have thought 20 days with no bank hols is typical in the private sector.

[Sheepshanks]

JZZ30 said:

Edit. I'll dig out the contract again, it complicated a bit in that it refers to holiday entitlement for a standard 5 day week. The above is based on 3 long (12.5 hr) days a week.

I was wondering about that - to take a day off she'd surely need to use slightly more than 1.5 normal days holiday? Unless for holiday days she was just paid a basic 7.5 hours?

My missus worked 3 days per week in the Civil Service. Her annual holiday allowance was calculated in hours, but her normal day being shorter than standard meant she could take more days off.

[Devil2575]

superlightr said:

27 day + 8 Public Holidays on starting !! then 29+8 after 5 years !!

Just compare that to a normal private sector job and it will be 20days and if lucky the 8 bank holidays.
Dont start on the pensions......

But yes thats one of the reasons the NHS is in such crisis -

A normal private sector job?

Really?

I may well be out of touch with what you consider the normal private sector but I get 26 days + bank holidays. In my sector that's pretty standard.

I'd say that most professional employers offer something similar. Maybe if you work in the service sector it's less, but then do we consider the NHS to be comparable with the service sector?

Holidays are not the reason the NHS is in crisis.

[rscott]

superlightr said:

27 day + 8 Public Holidays on starting !! then 29+8 after 5 years !!

Just compare that to a normal private sector job and it will be 20days and if lucky the 8 bank holidays.
Dont start on the pensions......

But yes thats one of the reasons the NHS is in such crisis -

Everyone's legally entitled to 28 days paid leave if they work full time - https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/enti...

[16v stretch]

Sheepshanks said:

JZZ30 said:

Edit. I'll dig out the contract again, it complicated a bit in that it refers to holiday entitlement for a standard 5 day week. The above is based on 3 long (12.5 hr) days a week.

I was wondering about that - to take a day off she'd surely need to use slightly more than 1.5 normal days holiday? Unless for holiday days she was just paid a basic 7.5 hours?

My missus worked 3 days per week in the Civil Service. Her annual holiday allowance was calculated in hours, but her normal day being shorter than standard meant she could take more days off.

Sheepshanks is correct here.

For the standard 5 day worker (presuming it's 37.5 hours) and 29 days holiday you have 217.5 hours paid leave, equating to 17.4 days paid holiday for the 12.5 hour day / 3 day week worker.

You'd possibly have to query bank holidays, as they may only give standard 7.5 hours leave equivalent for a bank holiday, leaving time owing.

[Sheepshanks]

16v stretch said:

Sheepshanks is correct here.

Well it depends how they do it. I just remembered that one of my daughters, who is still in the NHS, worked 24x7 shifts when she first started.

The way they did her pay was weird - they used to pay a standard amount as if she'd worked a normal 5 day 40 hr week, and then add everything else on as additional hours. So if she worked 8hrs on Sunday she'd get 8 additional hrs which coupled with her standard pay, meant she was getting double time. If she worked 12hrs, she'd get an extra 16hrs pay (2x12-8).

So for a holiday day, she'd just get a basic days pay.