Alternative to speed limits and cameras?

[RobinOakapple]

Ken Figenus said:

RobinOakapple said:

So pipedream then. Thought as much. Dream on.

Robin I've campaigned and acted on many issues in my life where I see injustice or a need for improvement and change. I actually properly get going on animal rights (far more important than this) and just put together a viral campaign video for a charity...free...because I believe in it and wanted to do something. Don't judge others by your own ambivalence, cynicism or apathy.

Still zero details on your 'campaign' I notice

Can you at least define its aims?

[Ken Figenus]

No. But you will be the first to get a press release when we go global, err I mean national. Global is later.

[RobinOakapple]

[Pete317]

vonhosen said:

So just above the median speed then?

So that's around half the drivers in the country, who would now be forced to drive slower than they otherwise would, and so who would have to worry about inadvertently creeping over the limit at the wrong time, worry about maybe missing signs, etc.
That's half the drivers, and as drivers comprise most of the adult population, that's considerably more than a quarter of 'society' who are affected by such limits.
And all in the name of bowing to the wishes of said 'society'

More likely, bowing to the will of the vociferous minority

[RobinOakapple]

Pete317 said:

More likely, bowing to the will of the vociferous minority

Just imagine if the majority (which includes all those people who subscribe to your views) were to become vociferous too!

Join Ken's campaign FTW!

he'll let you know the details in due course

[RobinOakapple]

anonymous said:

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Let me stop you right there. Anybody who doesn't think his speeding ticket is fair has the option to take the matter to court. Any 'injustice' is entirely in your own mind.

[Ken Figenus]

Moose - like the way you are thinking! Lets start this NEW campaign group that Robin is letting his imagination run away with. None exist now AFAIK so think so we could call it The Safe Speed Alliance of Britisher Drivers Partnership (inc Motorbiker Action Gang)! We could become famous We should be sure to let National Motorists Action Group and the Motorists' Legal Challenge Fund know we aren't competitors though - and those bikers with the white masks in London! Ohh and Idris Elba - he LOVES this stuff and would be right on-board having taken the fuzz to the ECHR!

[RobinOakapple]

anonymous said:

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The naïveté is all on your side. I don't care what you said, what I said was and is correct. You'll have to do better that contradiction and insults if your campaign is going to get anywhere.

[RobinOakapple]

Ken Figenus said:

Lets start this NEW campaign group that Robin is letting his imagination run away with.

As opposed to the OLD campaign



Talk about my imagination!

[RobinOakapple]

anonymous said:

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Let me stop you right there. Your first sentence is wrong and your second makes incorrect assumptions and is therefore, like much of your material on this thread, also wrong.

I suggest you get your medication adjusted, it worries me that you are going about the places seeing minor or even major injustices everywhere. To normal people these 'injustices' are nothing of the sort, they are just things that we would wish were different if that suited our purposes.

[RobinOakapple]

anonymous said:

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1) Just playing your game, squire, bring it down to your level.

2) Normal people hold an opinion, but opinions hold you. Everything you perceive about people who don't agree with you is vieed through the distorted lens of that opinion.

3) I don't hold that position so have no reasoning to support it. I simply said that people have the option to tale their 'summary' speeding tickets to court if they so wish.

I need to go out now, so your next insult will have to go unanswered until I get back.

[Ken Figenus]

I'm rolling in Amnesty International now to associate with "The Campaign" (as its now known for short). These chaps say there can be injustices in society, human actions, commerce and the law. I don't know if they are 'normal people' though!? Probably on a crusade or mission or something. Phhtttt! Wasters!

[RobinOakapple]

^^

[Digby]

Digby said:

I never seem to get an answer, but why would anyone defend a system often put in place by these types of people?

I'll try, again, to ask that question.

Are those who defend this system happy that many of the names involved have a history of bribery and corruption etc?

Are they also happy that areas can be targeted to make up for budget cuts, leaving other areas where safety is a concern, to be ignored?

[singlecoil]

Digby said:

Digby said:

I never seem to get an answer, but why would anyone defend a system often put in place by these types of people?

I'll try, again, to ask that question.

Are those who defend this system happy that many of the names involved have a history of bribery and corruption etc?

Are they also happy that areas can be targeted to make up for budget cuts, leaving other areas where safety is a concern, to be ignored?

There are at least two reasons why you won't get answers to those questions, the first is that most here are thoroughly fed up of this thread (I've got a spare 5 minutes while I wait for something to happen) and the second is that the people to whom you are addressing those questions won't accept the premises of those questions.

[vonhosen]

Digby said:

Digby said:

I never seem to get an answer, but why would anyone defend a system often put in place by these types of people?

I'll try, again, to ask that question.

Are those who defend this system happy that many of the names involved have a history of bribery and corruption etc?

Are they also happy that areas can be targeted to make up for budget cuts, leaving other areas where safety is a concern, to be ignored?

I think people have addressed that before, their replies were along the lines

1) Because a small number of individuals involved may have a history of bribery or corruption, it wouldn't follow that having a system of speed enforcement is corrupt (as is the case with anything else in life).

2) The purpose of enforcing a limit is to encourage compliance with the limit & detect/provide evidence for those that don't, anywhere that may happen. If the government's purpose is to see all limits being adhered to it makes sense for them to target areas where the largest numbers are speeding, but areas of high risk should not be ignored, they should have enforcement too.

[Kawasicki]

vonhosen said:

I think people have addressed that before, their replies were along the lines

1) Because a small number of individuals involved may have a history of bribery or corruption, it wouldn't follow that having a system of speed enforcement is corrupt (as is the case with anything else in life).

2) The purpose of enforcing a limit is to encourage compliance with the limit & detect/provide evidence for those that don't, anywhere that may happen. If the government's purpose is to see all limits being adhered to it makes sense for them to target areas where the largest numbers are speeding, but areas of high risk should not be ignored, they should have enforcement too.

3) if there are large numbers of people speeding, then either the government must believe that either a large number of people are stupid/dangerous, which the excellent UK safety stats don't support, or that the speed limits are set too low.

[singlecoil]

Kawasicki said:

3) if there are large numbers of people speeding, then either the government must believe that either a large number of people are stupid/dangerous, which the excellent UK safety stats don't support, or that the speed limits are set too low.

You've only provided for two possibilities there, but there may well be others.

[Kawasicki]

singlecoil said:

You've only provided for two possibilities there, but there may well be others.

Could you please suggest a couple?

[Digby]

vonhosen said:

I think people have addressed that before, their replies were along the lines

1) Because a small number of individuals involved may have a history of bribery or corruption...

A small number, involved with an awful lot of cameras..