End of the War on Motorists ? MORE avg Scammers
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Yes the end of the war on motorists promised 'no more fixed speed cameras'.
Well I give you the 'SMART' motorway and the threat to enforce 70mph with those HADECS 3 things. UK motorways must be the most camera infested in the world. WHY?
AND now
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/company-car-tax-an...
Total b
ks basis for increased use for a start. Reversal of aforementioned policy. And I certainly do NOT think these things are reasonably deployed. Empty NSL reduced to 50 or 40mph (think Notts which is a TOTAL nightmare zone and a place I actively avoid as s result) with SPECS is really really mind numbingly crap to drive thru.
Well I give you the 'SMART' motorway and the threat to enforce 70mph with those HADECS 3 things. UK motorways must be the most camera infested in the world. WHY?
AND now
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/company-car-tax-an...
Total b
ks basis for increased use for a start. Reversal of aforementioned policy. And I certainly do NOT think these things are reasonably deployed. Empty NSL reduced to 50 or 40mph (think Notts which is a TOTAL nightmare zone and a place I actively avoid as s result) with SPECS is really really mind numbingly crap to drive thru.HantsRat said:
Don't exceed the speed limit and nothing to worry about.
I'm not getting into whether the limit is right or wrong as that just goes round in circles. The fact of the matter is in the UK the speed limit of the motorway is 70mph. Everyone knows this.
The State are like a dog with a bone on this. Why?I'm not getting into whether the limit is right or wrong as that just goes round in circles. The fact of the matter is in the UK the speed limit of the motorway is 70mph. Everyone knows this.
Even if you believe their figures, we are dealing with an almost insignificant number of KSI's in the grand scheme of things and even they can't claim speed has much of an impact on this. I'm more likely to die falling off a ladder or down the stairs.
And not only that, a poxy 5% of the total 1800 odd happen on the Motorway.
This is so trivial, to suggest there isn't a political agenda here in lieu of common sense is just not credible.
This ongoing nonsense just causes to undermine the respect a lot of people have for the Law.
HantsRat said:
Don't exceed the speed limit and nothing to worry about.
I'm not getting into whether the limit is right or wrong as that just goes round in circles. The fact of the matter is in the UK the speed limit of the motorway is 70mph. Everyone knows this.
There is a new postcount limit on PH of 30 words I'm not getting into whether the limit is right or wrong as that just goes round in circles. The fact of the matter is in the UK the speed limit of the motorway is 70mph. Everyone knows this.
you have exceeded that limit as its the new law & you are now banned for 30 daysDavidonly said:
Well I give you the 'SMART' motorway
I've known smarter 4 year old children! Many of the holdups I see in these zones are brought about by the reduced limits in place.If you want to let MORE water empty through a hole in a bucket more quickly, you either make the hole bigger, or find a way to increase the pressure.
A great example of how a poorly thought out slower limit exacerbates matters can be found on the M6 in Lancashire.
At Lancaster Jct 34 on the M6 where there have been huge works to form a new major junction, they closed the southbound lane one to traffic except for those wanting to exit, AND dropped the speed limit to 50 mph.
Traffic then bunches up together as they arrive at the limit at 70 mph, and when Lancaster traffic is trying to merge on the other side, they can't find spaces to merge into. THEN a three hundred yards further on, they run out of lane.
If they left the limit at 70 mph, the traffic would not end up bumper to bumper, or they could simply bring on the traffic in a restored lane 1 and revert to three lanes!
It seems to have taken 4 months for this latter solution to be achieved - but they failed to put up any signs to say so!
_dobbo_ said:
So you have no plates on your car then?
Where I drive, there are next to no speed cameras, no mobile enforcement whatsoever and I'd take a 3000 mile round trip to avoid average speed cameras.If I had to regularly drive in a place with those things, i'd chance taking the front plate off until I was pulled. The risk is totally worth it.
MP's said "more must be done to ensure detection rates are high, whether through specialised police officers or the greater use of technology."
What are they going to do when nobody exceeds the limits?
MP's need to continue funding their exotic lifestyle on expenses.
Continue the trend of lowering the limits to ensure that revenue does not dry up I guess?
What are they going to do when nobody exceeds the limits?
MP's need to continue funding their exotic lifestyle on expenses.
Continue the trend of lowering the limits to ensure that revenue does not dry up I guess?
Edited by lbc on Thursday 5th May 21:17
SPECS cameras can be set up (are are being) to view rear plates. (Perhaps we have motor cyclists to thank for this)?
And how difficult would it be for the authorities to use the sledgehammer legislation of 'Perverting the Course of Justice' against persistant (or any!) 'no number plate' offenders?
And how difficult would it be for the authorities to use the sledgehammer legislation of 'Perverting the Course of Justice' against persistant (or any!) 'no number plate' offenders?
Mill Wheel said:
Davidonly said:
Well I give you the 'SMART' motorway
I've known smarter 4 year old children! Many of the holdups I see in these zones are brought about by the reduced limits in place.If you want to let MORE water empty through a hole in a bucket more quickly, you either make the hole bigger, or find a way to increase the pressure.
A great example of how a poorly thought out slower limit exacerbates matters can be found on the M6 in Lancashire.
At Lancaster Jct 34 on the M6 where there have been huge works to form a new major junction, they closed the southbound lane one to traffic except for those wanting to exit, AND dropped the speed limit to 50 mph.
Traffic then bunches up together as they arrive at the limit at 70 mph, and when Lancaster traffic is trying to merge on the other side, they can't find spaces to merge into. THEN a three hundred yards further on, they run out of lane.
If they left the limit at 70 mph, the traffic would not end up bumper to bumper, or they could simply bring on the traffic in a restored lane 1 and revert to three lanes!
It seems to have taken 4 months for this latter solution to be achieved - but they failed to put up any signs to say so!
Except you assume human beings to act the same as water molecules.
Which isn't so brilliant. In fact it's dim.
oyster said:
Mill Wheel said:
Davidonly said:
Well I give you the 'SMART' motorway
I've known smarter 4 year old children! Many of the holdups I see in these zones are brought about by the reduced limits in place.If you want to let MORE water empty through a hole in a bucket more quickly, you either make the hole bigger, or find a way to increase the pressure.
A great example of how a poorly thought out slower limit exacerbates matters can be found on the M6 in Lancashire.
At Lancaster Jct 34 on the M6 where there have been huge works to form a new major junction, they closed the southbound lane one to traffic except for those wanting to exit, AND dropped the speed limit to 50 mph.
Traffic then bunches up together as they arrive at the limit at 70 mph, and when Lancaster traffic is trying to merge on the other side, they can't find spaces to merge into. THEN a three hundred yards further on, they run out of lane.
If they left the limit at 70 mph, the traffic would not end up bumper to bumper, or they could simply bring on the traffic in a restored lane 1 and revert to three lanes!
It seems to have taken 4 months for this latter solution to be achieved - but they failed to put up any signs to say so!
Except you assume human beings to act the same as water molecules.
Which isn't so brilliant. In fact it's dim.
My brother is a hydrological engineer, he specialised for his doctorate in flow rates a pressures in pipes and open channels. Following his doctorate he spent a number of years working for the Highways Agency and Network Rail modelling flow. The way traffic (especially heavy traffic) behaves is very similar to the way water behaves and the modelling is therefore similar
blueg33 said:
Its not dim at all.
My brother is a hydrological engineer, he specialised for his doctorate in flow rates a pressures in pipes and open channels. Following his doctorate he spent a number of years working for the Highways Agency and Network Rail modelling flow. The way traffic (especially heavy traffic) behaves is very similar to the way water behaves and the modelling is therefore similar
He needs to get back with the Highways Agency, as at the moment they seem to be following the "sand in the works" model of traffic management! My brother is a hydrological engineer, he specialised for his doctorate in flow rates a pressures in pipes and open channels. Following his doctorate he spent a number of years working for the Highways Agency and Network Rail modelling flow. The way traffic (especially heavy traffic) behaves is very similar to the way water behaves and the modelling is therefore similar
I irregularly drive along the M25.
I have come to the conclusion that the reduced speed limits at times of heavy traffic, with actual or perceived enforcement, has made journeys smoother and easier. So I'm a supporter of such control. But today I drove along a road with a 40 mph limit that used to be 60. The point being? There is a stretch where, according to the reports, there was a/were accident(s) due to overtaking, but this stretch was such that I'd have waited as there were straights before and after, so a short length of double whites would have eased matters.
On a slightly different topic, it's just an excuse to rant, but I feel the need:
I followed one burk in a blue Nissan Micra today going at 45 in a 60 where it was impossible to overtake, then 60 where the road straightened. Then 40 in a 50, 35 just in a 40 and then, for reasons unexplained, all but 40 in a 30. (S)He didn't know the width of the car, slowing every time a lorry came in the opposite direction, and all but panicking when a bus pulled in at a stop. (S)He wasn't going to pass until I pulled out to pass both and he/she indicated to pull out, did so, but waited for the bus to go first.
A driver pulled out in front of the Micra, misjudging the speed, presumably expecting 30 in the 30 limit, and the Micra burk stopped, despite the fact that the other car had cleared the junction. I passed there, the Micra being stationary. I received a prolonged hoot and the lights were flashed.
Rant over. I only wished I felt better for it.
If the driver had to slow when a lorry comes towards them, along a road where two lorries could, and do, pass easily, driving has got to be a suitable punishment for them.
I have come to the conclusion that the reduced speed limits at times of heavy traffic, with actual or perceived enforcement, has made journeys smoother and easier. So I'm a supporter of such control. But today I drove along a road with a 40 mph limit that used to be 60. The point being? There is a stretch where, according to the reports, there was a/were accident(s) due to overtaking, but this stretch was such that I'd have waited as there were straights before and after, so a short length of double whites would have eased matters.
On a slightly different topic, it's just an excuse to rant, but I feel the need:
I followed one burk in a blue Nissan Micra today going at 45 in a 60 where it was impossible to overtake, then 60 where the road straightened. Then 40 in a 50, 35 just in a 40 and then, for reasons unexplained, all but 40 in a 30. (S)He didn't know the width of the car, slowing every time a lorry came in the opposite direction, and all but panicking when a bus pulled in at a stop. (S)He wasn't going to pass until I pulled out to pass both and he/she indicated to pull out, did so, but waited for the bus to go first.
A driver pulled out in front of the Micra, misjudging the speed, presumably expecting 30 in the 30 limit, and the Micra burk stopped, despite the fact that the other car had cleared the junction. I passed there, the Micra being stationary. I received a prolonged hoot and the lights were flashed.
Rant over. I only wished I felt better for it.
If the driver had to slow when a lorry comes towards them, along a road where two lorries could, and do, pass easily, driving has got to be a suitable punishment for them.
Derek Smith said:
On a slightly different topic, it's just an excuse to rant, but I feel the need:
I followed one burk in a blue Nissan Micra today going at 45 in a 60 where it was impossible to overtake, then 60 where the road straightened. Then 40 in a 50, 35 just in a 40 and then, for reasons unexplained, all but 40 in a 30. (S)He didn't know the width of the car, slowing every time a lorry came in the opposite direction, and all but panicking when a bus pulled in at a stop. (S)He wasn't going to pass until I pulled out to pass both and he/she indicated to pull out, did so, but waited for the bus to go first.
A driver pulled out in front of the Micra, misjudging the speed, presumably expecting 30 in the 30 limit, and the Micra burk stopped, despite the fact that the other car had cleared the junction. I passed there, the Micra being stationary. I received a prolonged hoot and the lights were flashed.
Rant over. I only wished I felt better for it.
If the driver had to slow when a lorry comes towards them, along a road where two lorries could, and do, pass easily, driving has got to be a suitable punishment for them.
You encountered a driver like that and recount the tale as if it's unusual...lucky you! I get stuck behind drivers like that every time I drive.I followed one burk in a blue Nissan Micra today going at 45 in a 60 where it was impossible to overtake, then 60 where the road straightened. Then 40 in a 50, 35 just in a 40 and then, for reasons unexplained, all but 40 in a 30. (S)He didn't know the width of the car, slowing every time a lorry came in the opposite direction, and all but panicking when a bus pulled in at a stop. (S)He wasn't going to pass until I pulled out to pass both and he/she indicated to pull out, did so, but waited for the bus to go first.
A driver pulled out in front of the Micra, misjudging the speed, presumably expecting 30 in the 30 limit, and the Micra burk stopped, despite the fact that the other car had cleared the junction. I passed there, the Micra being stationary. I received a prolonged hoot and the lights were flashed.
Rant over. I only wished I felt better for it.
If the driver had to slow when a lorry comes towards them, along a road where two lorries could, and do, pass easily, driving has got to be a suitable punishment for them.
The article said:
Data from the Department for Transport (DfT) shows that exceeding the speed limit was a contributory factor in 254 fatal accidents in 2014, 16% of all fatal accidents...
Glad they're putting commensurate effort into the other 84%. I'm sure there's a clear sense of proportion here.0000 said:
The article said:
Data from the Department for Transport (DfT) shows that exceeding the speed limit was a contributory factor in 254 fatal accidents in 2014, 16% of all fatal accidents...
Glad they're putting commensurate effort into the other 84%. I'm sure there's a clear sense of proportion here.Is "exceeding the speed limit" recorded as a contributory factor if someone crashes at 46mph in a 40 limit?
And is it recorded as a contributory factor when a drunk driver leaves the road on a sharp bend at 120mph on a wet road?
Or when someone travelling at 80mph on the motorway is hit head-on by a lorry crossing the central reservation?
And why is "exceeding the speed limit" singled out as a factor in the first place, as opposed to more pertinent factors such as "too fast for conditions"?
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