Parking ticket, worth appealing?
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surveyor_101 said:
Honestly some people on here just like typing their own tosh.
£100 for one tyre being 1/2 an inch over the line.
Wait for the NTK.
That was clutching at straws that ticket not taking up two bays.
If I have read it right, as alluded to by the few posts earlier, the photos are with his car parked in the bay to show how tight it would have been if he'd parked it like that in the last bay. (And managed to get out to take the photo! £100 for one tyre being 1/2 an inch over the line.
Wait for the NTK.
That was clutching at straws that ticket not taking up two bays.
)He was possibly originally parked directly over two spaces and hasn't posted any pictures of that. He may at some point appear in the 'Bad Parking Thread' though.
surveyor_101 said:
Honestly some people on here just like typing their own tosh.
£100 for one tyre being 1/2 an inch over the line.
Wait for the NTK.
That was clutching at straws that ticket not taking up two bays.
There's really only one question. What would happen if somebody parked like that in the bay next to him?£100 for one tyre being 1/2 an inch over the line.
Wait for the NTK.
That was clutching at straws that ticket not taking up two bays.
Esceptico said:
I don't understand the OP's point. He says that the car park was empty. So he wasn't forced to park in the corner where he couldn't get out (unless I'm not understanding it correctly) so all talk of being too fat or having a girlfriend is surely not relevant. If the car park really was empty it seems a bit harsh but on the other hand I would love to see tickets being given out at my local supermarket as it is really frustrating driving around looking for a space to find someone has parked across 2 bays (it doesn't happen often as I try to go when other people don't so getting a space not a problem).
Advice on how to weasel out of the fine sums up this country. Why are we not able to say "I messed up and it my responsibility"? Making appeals and giving the parking companies the run around (when you were in the wrong) just drives up their costs and ultimately means they have to raise the penalties or issue more tickets to balance the books.
I do empathise with the OP being pissed off as I've parked illegally by mistake before and got a ticket. It's annoying but was my fault for not reading the sign properly.
Why would they want to penalise someone for paying to park in there car park when it was empty and not effecting anyone elseAdvice on how to weasel out of the fine sums up this country. Why are we not able to say "I messed up and it my responsibility"? Making appeals and giving the parking companies the run around (when you were in the wrong) just drives up their costs and ultimately means they have to raise the penalties or issue more tickets to balance the books.
I do empathise with the OP being pissed off as I've parked illegally by mistake before and got a ticket. It's annoying but was my fault for not reading the sign properly.
If that's the rule how would a Rolls or Bentley park in there car park cause it ain't going to fit.
Mandat said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Blanchimont said:
Driving nose in would've been just as bad as I was with the OH, so she would've struggled too.
She gets out, you park.You return to the car, you pull out the space, she gets in.
Esceptico said:
Advice on how to weasel out of the fine sums up this country. Why are we not able to say "I messed up and it my responsibility"? Making appeals and giving the parking companies the run around (when you were in the wrong) just drives up their costs and ultimately means they have to raise the penalties or issue more tickets to balance the books.
I do empathise with the OP being pissed off as I've parked illegally by mistake before and got a ticket. It's annoying but was my fault for not reading the sign properly.
He was parked very slightly touching but not over the white line. Allowing these parking parasites to get away with such robbery sums up this country. I can't see how the op messed up, I often deliberately park in a similar way to give me a good distance from the next vehicle.I do empathise with the OP being pissed off as I've parked illegally by mistake before and got a ticket. It's annoying but was my fault for not reading the sign properly.
Write to them with your (very valid) reasons for declining to pay then see if they are daft enough to sue you.
bad company said:
He was parked very slightly touching but not over the white line. Allowing these parking parasites to get away with such robbery sums up this country. I can't see how the op messed up, I often deliberately park in a similar way to give me a good distance from the next vehicle.
Write to them with your (very valid) reasons for declining to pay then see if they are daft enough to sue you.
He was over the line. If someone had needed to park in the bay next to him (because the car park became full whilst he was parked) how would they have been able to park and get out of their car? More importantly, how would you have reacted if you were that person trying to park in the last available space now partly blocked? Would you say "ok fair due, I would have parked like that and I will just wait for another space or go find another car park" or would you say "look at that selfish bWrite to them with your (very valid) reasons for declining to pay then see if they are daft enough to sue you.
d, how am I supposed to get my car in there?" I wonder whether you can be honest with your answer and not say what fits your argument.bad company said:
He was parked very slightly touching but not over the white line. Allowing these parking parasites to get away with such robbery sums up this country. I can't see how the op messed up, I often deliberately park in a similar way to give me a good distance from the next vehicle.
Write to them with your (very valid) reasons for declining to pay then see if they are daft enough to sue you.
Not only "bad company", but "bad advice".Write to them with your (very valid) reasons for declining to pay then see if they are daft enough to sue you.
The OP wouldn't be sued - the process would go via a simple County Court process, who would rule against him/her, and appoint bailiffs to double the cost of the ticket and recover what they can.
"Oh please, that's not fair" isn't an argument that stacks up against relatively watertight rules for private parking PCNs. Unless OP can magic up some legislation about private parking space sizes (hint: he won't), then I don't really understand what grounds the appeal is based on.
Certainly, there's nothing in the photos that supports any appeal, so I'm keen to understand what "evidence" is to be presented.
If there is a way to get out of it (e.g. procedural failure), Pepipoo is the place to find out.
hunton69 said:
Why would they want to penalise someone for paying to park in there car park when it was empty and not effecting anyone else
If that's the rule how would a Rolls or Bentley park in there car park cause it ain't going to fit.
Because these parking "management" companies do not make any money if they could actually manage the parking. They rely on issuing "penalties" in order to maintain their business model. It is in their own interest to find fault where none exists, or is at best arguable.If that's the rule how would a Rolls or Bentley park in there car park cause it ain't going to fit.
C70R said:
"Oh please, that's not fair" isn't an argument that stacks up against relatively watertight rules for private parking PCNs.
If there is a way to get out of it (e.g. procedural failure), Pepipoo is the place to find out.
The rules are as watertight as a sieve. There are many ways to prove the charge is invalid, from inadequate signage, signage that contradicts consumer legislation, is the signage making a forbidding offer, is the Notice to Keeper compliant with legislation and enough to enofrce the charge on the keeper, is the Creditor empowered by the landowner to bring the case.... and many, many others.If there is a way to get out of it (e.g. procedural failure), Pepipoo is the place to find out.
In the last two years the fleet that I manage has collected around 20,000 private parking charges. We've paid none. I have 100% POPLA success, and three court cases withdrawn by the claimant before hearing upon receipt of my defence.
I'm no expert lawyer, but I do know how to challenge these tickets.
C70R said:
Jesus... some of you people are mental. Sorry OP, but I don't think you have much hope of winning this one, and with good reason.
You're showing empty spaces next to you, but cannot prove that they weren't available when you parked (assuming you were forced into choosing the space next to the barrier, rather than an easier one with more room to exit both sides).
Your photo demonstrates around a foot of space between you and the barrier, suggesting there was ample opportunity to fit your car into the space provided. Yes, it might have been tight to open doors. Yes, your passenger might have needed to get out first. But the simple fact is that they provided a space that was physically large enough, but you didn't use it correctly.
While I sympathise with you, and am aware that private parking enforcement can be a real pig, I simply can't see what grounds you're actually basing this appeal on (unless they differentiate between on/over the line).
Ok smart arse, explain how he reverses out of that space if the space opposite and adjacent are subsequently filled? You're showing empty spaces next to you, but cannot prove that they weren't available when you parked (assuming you were forced into choosing the space next to the barrier, rather than an easier one with more room to exit both sides).
Your photo demonstrates around a foot of space between you and the barrier, suggesting there was ample opportunity to fit your car into the space provided. Yes, it might have been tight to open doors. Yes, your passenger might have needed to get out first. But the simple fact is that they provided a space that was physically large enough, but you didn't use it correctly.
While I sympathise with you, and am aware that private parking enforcement can be a real pig, I simply can't see what grounds you're actually basing this appeal on (unless they differentiate between on/over the line).
C70R said:
bad company said:
He was parked very slightly touching but not over the white line. Allowing these parking parasites to get away with such robbery sums up this country. I can't see how the op messed up, I often deliberately park in a similar way to give me a good distance from the next vehicle.
Write to them with your (very valid) reasons for declining to pay then see if they are daft enough to sue you.
Not only "bad company", but "bad advice".Write to them with your (very valid) reasons for declining to pay then see if they are daft enough to sue you.
The OP wouldn't be sued - the process would go via a simple County Court process, who would rule against him/her, and appoint bailiffs to double the cost of the ticket and recover what they can.
"Oh please, that's not fair" isn't an argument that stacks up against relatively watertight rules for private parking PCNs. Unless OP can magic up some legislation about private parking space sizes (hint: he won't), then I don't really understand what grounds the appeal is based on.
Certainly, there's nothing in the photos that supports any appeal, so I'm keen to understand what "evidence" is to be presented.
If there is a way to get out of it (e.g. procedural failure), Pepipoo is the place to find out.
The parking firm would have to pay the court fees then the op can then apply to have the case heard in his local court. The firm then either rely purely on written evidence or incur unrecoverable legal representation costs. I don't believe they would win as he is parked on but fractionally if at all over the line. Having said that its down to what the judge believes reasonable within the law on the day. There is always a risk in litigation but more for the parking firm than the op IMO.
Edited by bad company on Wednesday 11th May 19:33
Markbarry1977 said:
I hate all these robbing bas***d companies. They are parasites and I wouldn't piss on any of the directors of these companies if they were on fire. Bunch of arse****. Fight it op, I hope you win.
I agree but it has to be done legally.The bend over & pay up brigade have gone quiet.
Unless you've been on the moon for the past 5 years you must know that parking companies will look for any little reason to fine someone.
In a car park with plenty of other spaces what on earth made you pick that space, where the armco has been installed on top of the existing white line. Did it not make you think that the space was smaller than the others ?
When you got out of the car and walked away from it didn't you look at it and think that it is parked awkwardly ?
I'd fight that ticket but you'd have saved yourself a load of hassle by parking somewhere else.
In a car park with plenty of other spaces what on earth made you pick that space, where the armco has been installed on top of the existing white line. Did it not make you think that the space was smaller than the others ?
When you got out of the car and walked away from it didn't you look at it and think that it is parked awkwardly ?
I'd fight that ticket but you'd have saved yourself a load of hassle by parking somewhere else.
Blanchimont said:
the car is too wide to fit in the bay, and had to take up a couple of bays.
I attached a pictures of the car fitted in the bay, in the picture, I have less than 6 inches to get out, and being err... Fat I can't get out in that gap.
The photos only show his car wouldn't fit in that bay, The op actually parked half and half in 2 bays.I attached a pictures of the car fitted in the bay, in the picture, I have less than 6 inches to get out, and being err... Fat I can't get out in that gap.
That's what the ticket is for not for having a wheel touching the line.
pinchmeimdreamin said:
Blanchimont said:
the car is too wide to fit in the bay, and had to take up a couple of bays.
I attached a pictures of the car fitted in the bay, in the picture, I have less than 6 inches to get out, and being err... Fat I can't get out in that gap.
The photos only show his car wouldn't fit in that bay, The op actually parked half and half in 2 bays.I attached a pictures of the car fitted in the bay, in the picture, I have less than 6 inches to get out, and being err... Fat I can't get out in that gap.
That's what the ticket is for not for having a wheel touching the line.
In the bad parking thread people get lambasted for taking up 2 parking spaces or not parking central in a marked space.
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