Goddamit Jury service. Get outs?
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
richardrsc said:
And on a more general note, what the hell gives them the right to demand with menaces that people come and work for them at £32 a day? Is this the bloody roman empire?
The same one that gives you the right to a trial by jury should you ever be accused of something. Not a right that was available under the Roman Empire. WJNB said:
I suffer from claustrophobia but have no medical proof.
Should I get called for service I would plead this as a reason to be excused. If refused then after a short time in the court I would simply become very agitated which would disrupt proceedings. Proving the invalidity of my mental state will prove impossible.
How do you cope at home where I assume your rooms are a lot smaller than a court room?Should I get called for service I would plead this as a reason to be excused. If refused then after a short time in the court I would simply become very agitated which would disrupt proceedings. Proving the invalidity of my mental state will prove impossible.
Fun Bus said:
WJNB said:
I suffer from claustrophobia but have no medical proof.
Should I get called for service I would plead this as a reason to be excused. If refused then after a short time in the court I would simply become very agitated which would disrupt proceedings. Proving the invalidity of my mental state will prove impossible.
How do you cope at home where I assume your rooms are a lot smaller than a court room?Should I get called for service I would plead this as a reason to be excused. If refused then after a short time in the court I would simply become very agitated which would disrupt proceedings. Proving the invalidity of my mental state will prove impossible.
INWB said:
If you really want to get out of it simply put this:
"I am willing to fulfil my civic duties however as a (name religion) I will be using bible principles to make my judgement."
You won't be called.
That sounds promising. How about "As a Satanist I will be proposing the death sentence for even minor felonies?""I am willing to fulfil my civic duties however as a (name religion) I will be using bible principles to make my judgement."
You won't be called.
Inny said:
As a teacher, I was allowed to postpone my call up until after exams.
I enjoyed the process, if not the content of the cases. I realised that despite not being perfect, we live in a country where people generally try to do the right things.
I was on two cases across two weeks. Both juries nominated me chairman, which was a privilege.
I learned a lot and would recommend anyone who has the chance to have a go, for personal interest and experience if not civic duty.
My experience was the same, I'd happily serve on a jury again.I enjoyed the process, if not the content of the cases. I realised that despite not being perfect, we live in a country where people generally try to do the right things.
I was on two cases across two weeks. Both juries nominated me chairman, which was a privilege.
I learned a lot and would recommend anyone who has the chance to have a go, for personal interest and experience if not civic duty.
Edited by Inny on Sunday 15th May 06:55
98elise said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
richardrsc said:
And on a more general note, what the hell gives them the right to demand with menaces that people come and work for them at £32 a day? Is this the bloody roman empire?
The same one that gives you the right to a trial by jury should you ever be accused of something. Not a right that was available under the Roman Empire. If you're going to suffer financially and you don't take out insurance, then that's down to the individual.
98elise said:
I still don't see why anyone should be made to suffer financially, when its not them on trial. I suspect the judges, solicitors etc all want paying for their attendance?
Completely agree. Your employer is not legally bound to pay you full wages from what I understand, so how can we be forced to suffer financially whilst everyone else involved is paid for their time?I'm a contractor and don't get paid a penny if I don't work. My time isn't free and I have a family to look after.
Legend and folklore has it that if you start talking about "Nullification" that is quite effective in getting you off.
Nullification or Jury Nullification is your right as a Jury to return whatever verdict they/you want regardless of the evidence or whatever the Judge directs you towards. Apparently they really really do not like it.
As we all know some law is bad law and some law is an arse and for those types of law nobody should have their liberty or finances put at risk as a result of it. There maybe someone on a trial who is bang to rights, they have broken said law, there is loads of evidence and the Judge is strongly steering you towards what should be considered as a verdict. However you ignore all of it because the particualr law in question goes against common sense and what is reasonable and set that person free by returning a not guilty verdict.
I've never been called and the idea of doing it doesn't really appeal to me at all. But if I was I'd be in two minds whether to challenge me going at all and if I did whether to exercise my right to nullify.
As there are some very clever legal people on PH, it would be interesting to hear what their view is on this, for the rest of us plebs in the PH massive it would be interesting to know what laws you think are worthy of nullification.
Nullification or Jury Nullification is your right as a Jury to return whatever verdict they/you want regardless of the evidence or whatever the Judge directs you towards. Apparently they really really do not like it.
As we all know some law is bad law and some law is an arse and for those types of law nobody should have their liberty or finances put at risk as a result of it. There maybe someone on a trial who is bang to rights, they have broken said law, there is loads of evidence and the Judge is strongly steering you towards what should be considered as a verdict. However you ignore all of it because the particualr law in question goes against common sense and what is reasonable and set that person free by returning a not guilty verdict.
I've never been called and the idea of doing it doesn't really appeal to me at all. But if I was I'd be in two minds whether to challenge me going at all and if I did whether to exercise my right to nullify.
As there are some very clever legal people on PH, it would be interesting to hear what their view is on this, for the rest of us plebs in the PH massive it would be interesting to know what laws you think are worthy of nullification.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
98elise said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
richardrsc said:
And on a more general note, what the hell gives them the right to demand with menaces that people come and work for them at £32 a day? Is this the bloody roman empire?
The same one that gives you the right to a trial by jury should you ever be accused of something. Not a right that was available under the Roman Empire. If you're going to suffer financially and you don't take out insurance, then that's down to the individual.
I'm self employed.
anonymous said:
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Agreed.There have been a few threads about dury service on PH, and quite a few examples of crap jurors.
If say you were investigating something like tax fraud you would use a tax specialist. If you were deciding if they were guilty or not why would it be good to use a random member of public?
I would rather we had professional jurors.
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