78mph in a 60mph in a van

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TheHighlander

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197 months

Saturday 14th May 2016
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As above

My friend was driving a Ford Custom and the undercover police caught him just about to overtake on a 3/4 mile straight, nice clear night, and a new van etc etc

Police pulled him over and was told he was doing 78mph @1453 meters.

He already has 3 points for speeding 18 months ago(no other points on the licence)

They said to me...ooops i mean my mate that its careless driving and to expect 3-5 points on my licence.

Just curious to what to expect - Points wise.

I admitted guilt and didn't "act up" just took it on the chin, he said he has to submit a report and will take into consideration the weather conditions, fact it was a long straight and so on.

I feel like an idiot, not usually a fast driver but was in a rush to pick someone up. Lesson learned tho.

Edit - I should add I do 40k a year in my company car but I know this means nothing to the above issue.

Edited by TheHighlander on Saturday 14th May 19:50


Edited by TheHighlander on Saturday 14th May 19:51

Chester draws

1,412 posts

109 months

Saturday 14th May 2016
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Presuming this was a single carriageway, speed limit for vans is 50mph.

Which might make things worse for your friend than you thought.

TheHighlander

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Saturday 14th May 2016
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I should only of being doing 50mph, it was a single carriageway.

The traffic officer seemed to think between 3-6 points and around £400 fine.

anonymous-user

53 months

Saturday 14th May 2016
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78 in a 50 is a summons isn't it?

TheHighlander

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Saturday 14th May 2016
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He said I will get a letter and have the option to plead via post.

Said its classed as careless driving.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

108 months

Saturday 14th May 2016
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TheHighlander said:
He said I will get a letter and have the option to plead via post.

Said its classed as careless driving.
Careless driving.
You were speeding, that's all.
He's an idiot and if the law is backing him up then the law is an idiot too.

Pointless worrying about it now though. Wait for them and deal with it when you know their plan.

TheHighlander

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Saturday 14th May 2016
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This could be my wording that's made it sound stupid.

Just wondering what to expect as I drive for a living (Sales Engineer for Scotland) I asked the policeman the outcome and he said best case scenario 3 points and worst 5 and a hefty fine. He said I definitely will not get a ban is what matters.

Been many years since I've been in this situation.

Edited by TheHighlander on Saturday 14th May 23:34

CaptainMorgan

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158 months

Saturday 14th May 2016
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Unlucky, 76 is the cut off for FPN I think.

TheHighlander

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197 months

Sunday 15th May 2016
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It wouldn't concern me if I was in a car.

Typical it's when I borrow the works van for moving house.

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Sunday 15th May 2016
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Was the van a car derived one ? I bet it was not and on a SC so its 50 limit ????

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
Vans, car-derived vans and dual-purpose vehicles

Most vans under 7.5 tonnes laden (loaded) weight, including Ford Transit vans:
  1. have a lower speed limit than cars
  2. must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight
A vehicle qualifying as a ‘car-derived van’ or ‘dual-purpose vehicle’ has the same speed limits as a car


Alucidnation

16,810 posts

169 months

Sunday 15th May 2016
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And i don't really think there are that many around now that fall into that category?


I have seen the Fiesta van, Astravan but what else?

Its all getting a bit stupid now, especially when some cars are 2t + and are not subject to these limits.

TooMany2cvs

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125 months

Sunday 15th May 2016
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TheHighlander said:
They said to me...ooops i mean my mate that its careless driving and to expect 3-5 points on my licence.
They'll have to prove in court that it was careless.

But, either way, whether they hit you with speeding or careless, you're going to be in court. The only real difference is what the offence code is.

Edit: Oh, Scotland. That might make a difference... I know they semi-automatically class really high speeds as Dangerous, so the same may well apply to medium-high (and you/he was 28mph over...) and Careless.

TheHighlander

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Sunday 15th May 2016
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I'll just be pleasing guilty by post.

TooMany2cvs

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125 months

Sunday 15th May 2016
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TheHighlander said:
I'll just be pleasing guilty by post.
Whether you're in court yourself or not, the case is in court - rather than being an FPN.

TheHighlander

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Sunday 15th May 2016
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Sorry I understand what you mean.

I don't mind getting more points tbh. Just need to take my time now. Lesson learnt.

Hilts

4,380 posts

281 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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TheHighlander said:
I'll just be pleasing guilty by post.
I'd not be that pleased, I'd be pretty hacked off but good luck.

surveyor

17,767 posts

183 months

Monday 16th May 2016
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I'm a bit wary with Scotland.

I know that there is a speed where it becomes automatically Dangerous in the land of kilts. Maybe so with Careless as well?

TheHighlander

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Tuesday 17th May 2016
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As far as I'm aware at a certain speed its classed as careless which is 3-5 points.

I remember 10 years ago when i was 20 I got caught at 98mph in a 60mph in my Impreza STI (young and stupid) I got 5 points and a £500 fine as it was classed as careless driving.