Police too busy!
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There were 281000 people reported missing in 2015. A MISPER is a highly labour intensive incident. Over a million domestic violence reports. With 120000 Officers working shifts, you can work out the numbers on those two types of incident alone.
As much as people like to complain about speeding, it's a tiny, tiny proportion of Police time. Most of it is done by non Police personnel in vans.
As much as people like to complain about speeding, it's a tiny, tiny proportion of Police time. Most of it is done by non Police personnel in vans.
Edited by Elroy Blue on Thursday 19th May 20:20
I completely understand where the OP is coming from. I have met two BMW 535i drivers who were complete cretins. I now therefore assume, and refuse to accept otherwise, that every other BMW 535i driver is also a cretin. I also met a soldier once, he was an ignorant, pathetic and rude excuse for a human being. As a result, I now believe, and feel the need to tell everyone that all soldiers are similarly ignorant, rude and pathetic.
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Mk3Spitfire said:
I completely understand where the OP is coming from. I have met two BMW 535i drivers who were complete cretins. I now therefore assume, and refuse to accept otherwise, that every other BMW 535i driver is also a cretin. I also met a soldier once, he was an ignorant, pathetic and rude excuse for a human being. As a result, I now believe, and feel the need to tell everyone that all soldiers are similarly ignorant, rude and pathetic.
Oh, wait....
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bmw535i said:
I'm sure there are good officers out there who are diligent and willing to go the extra mile.
1. I don't know anyone who drives a BMW 535 so I can't really comment on that.2. I'd agree that a lot of soldiers are as you have described. Nevertheless, I wouldn't get offended by them expressing a personal opinion which differed from my own.
davemac250 said:
To the poster mentioning budgets - all stake holders hold back funds till the end of the budget year and then spend. It's use it or lose it.
That doesn't sound like lack of resources so much as a crappy internal funding system. A better system might reward those that are prudent rather than those that are profligate.Rovinghawk said:
davemac250 said:
To the poster mentioning budgets - all stake holders hold back funds till the end of the budget year and then spend. It's use it or lose it.
That doesn't sound like lack of resources so much as a crappy internal funding system. A better system might reward those that are prudent rather than those that are profligate.Rovinghawk talks of sense in local & central government financial over view. When since has sense and government bean counters decisions come in the same breath.
Who me said:
Rovinghawk talks of sense in local & central government financial over view.
In fairness, I talk of lack of such sense.Who me said:
When since has sense and government bean counters decisions come in the same breath?
This isn't government so much as delegated branches of the Home Office, ie the various police forces. In the same way as the rest of the public sector, their budgets would go much further if properly managed but they prefer instead to blame lack of resources.Police apology after burglars raid Brierley Hill firm twice in one night
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36337942
Hmmm seems it is catching on
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36337942
Hmmm seems it is catching on
bmw535i said:
Police apology after burglars raid Brierley Hill firm twice in one night
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36337942
Hmmm seems it is catching on
Stop posting BBC online. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36337942
Hmmm seems it is catching on
'Too busy' means NOT ENOUGH STAFF. Ffs.
It's called a thin blue line for good reason.
On one job alone 1-2 officers can be off the beat for 4hours+ queuing, processing a prison, paperwotk etc for charging.
On one night you can have 4 cars parading on in some areas. Too busy sounds like 'can't be arsed' and misleading. Is there a BBC agenda at play?
BBC online is semi reporting, half facts rubbish.
Edited by hora on Friday 20th May 07:25
bmw535i said:
Police apology after burglars raid Brierley Hill firm twice in one night
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36337942
Hmmm seems it is catching on
There are 13 million incidents per year (that go through the call centres) plus all the other ones which aren't captured by them. Within that sample you'll inevitably find examples like the above. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36337942
Hmmm seems it is catching on
Now you know the basic data you have little excuse for statistical ignorance. Although when you write off 126,000 people for no rational reason, I expect there's little hope of perspective.
Rovinghawk said:
This isn't government so much as delegated branches of the Home Office, ie the various police forces. In the same way as the rest of the public sector, their budgets would go much further if properly managed but they prefer instead to blame lack of resources.
What's your experience of managing public sector budgets and expertise to conclude they're not managed correctly? OP you'll be amazed at the amount of domestics called in. All are treated as priority and rightfully so. You can have a couple calling the Police multiple times on each other too.
On budgets, I've said this before the Police were partly to blame for the savage cuts imposed on them by the government. The iniatives to drive down crime statistics meant crimes were downgraded or not crimed so Police management could show that they were improving their areas and therefore politicians were driving down violent crime and making voters safer. A section 20 assault might even end up as a 47 or 39.
In reality crime isnt that easy in a democratic society to drive down.
Hence budgets were slashed as if crime is on a downward trend why so we need soo many bobbies? New NCRS rules are changing this.
On budgets, I've said this before the Police were partly to blame for the savage cuts imposed on them by the government. The iniatives to drive down crime statistics meant crimes were downgraded or not crimed so Police management could show that they were improving their areas and therefore politicians were driving down violent crime and making voters safer. A section 20 assault might even end up as a 47 or 39.
In reality crime isnt that easy in a democratic society to drive down.
Hence budgets were slashed as if crime is on a downward trend why so we need soo many bobbies? New NCRS rules are changing this.
Edited by hora on Friday 20th May 07:45
hora said:
Is there a BBC agenda at play?
I don't think so:Edited by hora on Friday 20th May 07:25
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-too-bu...
http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/19/man-furious-after-po...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/police-too-b...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/somerse...
http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/Investigation-l...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-129268...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
http://www.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/viewer.as...
http://www.briefreport.co.uk/news/man-furious-afte...
http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/Essex-Police-busy-...
You really need to vent your frustrarion at your MP, the police are sinking but trying to put on a brave face.
I know of a force that has cancelled all training (mandatory yearly courses) as they simply cannot afford to abstract staff for a day, there is no resiliance.
If the public knew just how bad it is they would be outraged.
I know of a force that has cancelled all training (mandatory yearly courses) as they simply cannot afford to abstract staff for a day, there is no resiliance.
If the public knew just how bad it is they would be outraged.
The indirect demand is one most are not aware of.
It's in the news today, once more, that the NHS are struggling with their mental health services. Both in terms of over-spending and sending increasing numbers of patients to other areas.
The amount of 'sectioning' the police have had to do it ever-increasing. It's around 18,000 136s at the moment, which has increased year on year. The College of Policing estimate the ones who go to the police cells (a great place for someone mentally ill) is around 60,000 hours per year (that's based on 1 x 10 hours as opposed to calculating individual officer time as well as custody Sergeant etc).
It's in the news today, once more, that the NHS are struggling with their mental health services. Both in terms of over-spending and sending increasing numbers of patients to other areas.
The amount of 'sectioning' the police have had to do it ever-increasing. It's around 18,000 136s at the moment, which has increased year on year. The College of Policing estimate the ones who go to the police cells (a great place for someone mentally ill) is around 60,000 hours per year (that's based on 1 x 10 hours as opposed to calculating individual officer time as well as custody Sergeant etc).
OP you linked to one story thay actually delves deeper into the problem further down: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
Funnily enough you'd think the BBC would have higher standards than redtops.
Oh do you have an agenda against the Police?
Funnily enough you'd think the BBC would have higher standards than redtops.
Oh do you have an agenda against the Police?
Rovinghawk said:
Who me said:
Rovinghawk talks of sense in local & central government financial over view.
In fairness, I talk of lack of such sense.Who me said:
When since has sense and government bean counters decisions come in the same breath?
This isn't government so much as delegated branches of the Home Office, ie the various police forces. In the same way as the rest of the public sector, their budgets would go much further if properly managed but they prefer instead to blame lack of resources.Second one was a generalisation of how bean counters have taken over ALL branches of government/ Home Office /public sector.
La Liga said:
The indirect demand is one most are not aware of.
It's in the news today, once more, that the NHS are struggling with their mental health services. Both in terms of over-spending and sending increasing numbers of patients to other areas.
The amount of 'sectioning' the police have had to do it ever-increasing. It's around 18,000 136s at the moment, which has increased year on year. The College of Policing estimate the ones who go to the police cells (a great place for someone mentally ill) is around 60,000 hours per year (that's based on 1 x 10 hours as opposed to calculating individual officer time as well as custody Sergeant etc).
of course the absence of a s136 equivalent power for Paramedics and Nurses means that if someone will not voluntarily go for assessment and the police are present it becomes either everyone sits around for a Doctor and an AMHP ( who may be a Nurse) to come and start S2 or the police 136 the individual and workign withthe ambulance service transport them to the 136 facility or a general A+E ... It's in the news today, once more, that the NHS are struggling with their mental health services. Both in terms of over-spending and sending increasing numbers of patients to other areas.
The amount of 'sectioning' the police have had to do it ever-increasing. It's around 18,000 136s at the moment, which has increased year on year. The College of Policing estimate the ones who go to the police cells (a great place for someone mentally ill) is around 60,000 hours per year (that's based on 1 x 10 hours as opposed to calculating individual officer time as well as custody Sergeant etc).
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