Police too busy!

[anonymous-user]

If people want to get in a twist about a perceived waste of time (McCann etc), then they'd do better to look at that example. A complaint still dragging on from 2014 where the IPCC and PCC are causing another force to look at the same thing...

[walm]

bmw535i you have said that you accept that numbers are low, which would be a possible explanation for what happened in the story in your OP.
Yet you continue to say (repeatedly) that you believe the remaining police who haven't been fired or aren't on maternity leave and whatnot are "rubbish".
You have found some evidence of a few slackers etc... but this looks like NEW issues to you which are examples that fit your already held opinion (nothing wrong with that, of course).

But my question is this...
What makes you think current policemen are rubbish??
The story in the OP isn't evidence of anything since it could be explained by low numbers (or laziness, we just don't know).
So what makes you so sure that they are so terrible?

Genuine question!

[anonymous-user]

XCP said:

I have known Andy Marsh for getting on for 30 years. I worked with him when he was a PC. If you are holding him up as an example of low standards of integrity you are barking up the wrong tree I am afraid.

So he didn't get in trouble?

[anonymous-user]

walm said:

bmw535i you have said that you accept that numbers are low, which would be a possible explanation for what happened in the story in your OP.
Yet you continue to say (repeatedly) that you believe the remaining police who haven't been fired or aren't on maternity leave and whatnot are "rubbish".
You have found some evidence of a few slackers etc... but this looks like NEW issues to you which are examples that fit your already held opinion (nothing wrong with that, of course).

But my question is this...
What makes you think current policemen are rubbish??
The story in the OP isn't evidence of anything since it could be explained by low numbers (or laziness, we just don't know).
So what makes you so sure that they are so terrible?

Genuine question!

I think I've explained my reasons previously

[Bigyoke]

You posted earlier that you had reported two incidents which were apparently NFA'd after the suspects were interviewed, so are you saying that on the basis of two incidents that didn't result in the outcome you'd expected or wanted, every Police Officer in the UK is rubbish?

[anonymous-user]

Bigyoke said:

You posted earlier that you had reported two incidents which were apparently NFA'd after the suspects were interviewed, so are you saying that on the basis of two incidents that didn't result in the outcome you'd expected or wanted, every Police Officer in the UK is rubbish?

I also spoke about other experiences I've had. People form opinions based on their experiences. I don't know why this has caused so much offence, but sometimes opinions are reinforced when people try to defend themselves by throwing muck back. By this I mean people latching onto the fact I'm a soldier and trying to say they're thick etc - it doesn't really work though.

[davemac250]

Because if you spoke the way you do about any other group in the community you would be vilified.

In fact, you wouldn't speak about a group with the vitriol you display.

If you need me to explain the army references I shall.

I have policed two garrison towns and live in a third.

Every soldier I dealt with in a professional (and I mean every) was a pillock fuelled by booze, bravado and peer pressure.

However, I was unfortunate enough to deal with a fatal accident (off duty, but you won't believe that) and the only person who stopped to help, and not film was a Sergeant from the Royal Anglians.

Which brush should I use to tar the army then?

Your remarks that all police are lazy/useless/unfit are offensive.

I would struggle to pass the fitness test, I was wiped out in a police car and have back problems that make it difficult to run. However, put me on a bike, let me swim, lift weights I'll pass any fitness test you want to put in front of me. I'm also rather useful in a public order situation....

But don't let that put you off slating me.

[anonymous-user]

I don't really mind what brush you choose to tar the army with. There are a lot of useless, arrogant, thick, unfit soldiers and there are also very good ones. I'm sure this is also the case for the police.

I am not intending to be offensive. If you are offended, I can only assume you fall into one or more of the categories I have described.

I am only drawing on my experiences from when I have come into contact with the police. I would love to be able to say I'd had positive experiences and that my faith in the police service was solid, but it just isn't. I don't really see the issue with expressing this and I will continue to do so.

You can deride soldiers as much as you like, I will probably be inclined to agree with your sentiments as I have with other posters.

When various members of the police service are in the news every day for corruption, malpractice, incompetence etc, it is difficult to defend. I'm sure you will blame the media for having an agenda as other posters have, but there is no smoke without fire.

[walm]

bmw535i said:

People form opinions based on their experiences.

Yes they do.
But those who are able to form rational arguments recognise that their experiences are by definition a limited set of information.
Sometimes there is enough info for someone's anecdotal evidence to become a large enough set, such that drawing meaningful conclusions from it is justified.

Sometimes people seek out others' experiences in order to put them all together before drawing conclusions.

Sadly, for someone who takes their extremely limited experiences and turns it into a sweeping generalisation that is simply wrong.

Your OP interestingly enough was fine: "Pretty much sums up my experience of the police - utterly useless and couldn't care less."
But after that it went a little downhill... "I have no time for the police whatsoever."

Your limited experience has meant that you have jumped to conclusions about ALL police.
And that is just wrong.

Just as it is wrong of me to conclude that they are ALL good eggs, given the limited number I have read from on here.
However, the fact that we DO have decent police on here posting about their experiences and proving they are in fact working hard and care A LOT means that your conclusion that they are ALL worthless, is empirically wrong.

[anonymous-user]

bmw535i said:

XCP said:

I have known Andy Marsh for getting on for 30 years. I worked with him when he was a PC. If you are holding him up as an example of low standards of integrity you are barking up the wrong tree I am afraid.

So he didn't get in trouble?

Did you read the article?

BBC news said:

A 2014 inquiry by Essex Police cleared him of misconduct allegations.

bmw535i said:

People form opinions based on their experiences.

People may, but intelligent people recognise the limitations of experience alone.

As a poster written above, my interactions with soldiers in a professional capacity also hasn't been overly favourable, however, I wouldn't make a lazy generalisation like you did because I recognise they are a minority amongst a good majority.

[walm]

bmw535i said:

I don't really mind what brush you choose to tar the army with. There are a lot of useless, arrogant, thick, unfit soldiers and there are also very good ones. I'm sure this is also the case for the police.

That's RIGHT!!
So why do you have "no time" for ANY of them??

[Pothole]

X5TUU said:

charltjr said:

Don't see the issue as long as they can show that their officers were all busy dealing with more important cases.

but what is more serious, armed robbery? where no one is hurt/injured physically but an insurance company will have to pay out, versus, a drunk driver with a huge potential to kill themselves, other innocents and also put insurance companies at a loss ... I cant see how this is the risk adverse approach personally

A drunk driver already at her home address with her keys taken off her has little to no potential to harm anyone.

[anonymous-user]

Perhaps you recall me saying this:

bmw535i said:

I have never had a positive experience of the police. It's unfortunate, but true. I'm sure there are good officers out there who are diligent and willing to go the extra mile, I just haven't met any.

[jogger1976]

Oh look. Another post on SP&L about the Police has descended into a willy-waving bh-fest. How surprising.

[anonymous-user]

You also wrote this, which clearly isn't true:

bmw535i said:

I can only go on my personal experiences with the police which have all left me frustrated and having a complete lack of faith in the police force.

However, if you're now fundamentally saying you know there's good and bad in all occupations then that's fine and more in line with reality.

It does raise the question once more, what's your point? What are you specifically raising and objecting to? You had one at first until the likely scenario was explained and now you've just dug in and searched for unrelated negative stories etc.

[anonymous-user]

La Liga said:

However, if you're now fundamentally saying you know there's good and bad in all occupations then that's fine and more in line with reality.

It does raise the question once more, what's your point? You had one at first until the likely scenario was explained and now you've just dug in and searched for unrelated negative stories etc.

My point is I think that the police are utterly useless and couldn't care less. It is just an opinion based on my experiences.

[anonymous-user]

So you've started a thread to share your wholly limited and, evidentially, incorrect opinion.

Did you just want some attention? There are better, more constructive ways in which to achieve it.

[Pothole]

skeggysteve said:

Question to all the BiB posting about this:

Last Saturday early evening (6.30ish) I was travelling on the A166 from York to Driffield.

I came to Garrowby Hill and there was a car off the road, street view link - http://tinyurl.com/zyz9xto - about opposite the old AA box.

The car wasn't in any way blocking the road. Parked opposite were two 'panda' cars and two BiB and a man who I'd guess was the driver. They were just chatting and probably waiting for a recovery truck.

Did it need two BiB to wait?

Then I start to go up the hill and a plain police car (front grill light flashing) comes down the hill overtook a truck and forced me to stand on my brakes (ABS cut in) to avoid him hitting me!

OK, I'm assuming that he was going to the accident but that was my assumption as it would be of most member of the public.

Why was he needed and why was he going so fast?

You see BIB, this is how members of the public see you most of the time. I'm genuinely not having a go at you just pointing out 'our' side.

You've assumed the two events are related. He might have been armed response on the way to something else.

[walm]

bmw535i said:

Perhaps you recall me saying this:

bmw535i said:

I have never had a positive experience of the police. It's unfortunate, but true. I'm sure there are good officers out there who are diligent and willing to go the extra mile, I just haven't met any.

Which is absolutely fine but you can't keep saying that AND saying...
"[I have] a complete lack of faith in the police force."
"I have no time for the police whatsoever."
"I just think the police are utterly useless."

You are being totally inconsistent.

[anonymous-user]

La Liga said:

So you've started a thread to share your wholly limited and, evidentially, incorrect opinion.

Did you just want some attention? There are better, more constructive ways in which to achieve it.

No, the thread was started to share a news article.

It has attracted some attention, I can't really understand why, but can only assume it's hit a nerve for the reasons I've already said.

I'm not really sure how you've concluded my opinion is wrong, but if you do think that it's fair enough. Unsurprisingly, the stupidity displayed by police officers on here hasn't altered my opinion, perhaps just reinforced it.