Police too busy!
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You are at it again!!
bmw535i said:
My point is I think that the police are utterly useless and couldn't care less. It is just an opinion based on my experiences.
bmw535i said:
I'm sure there are good officers out there who are diligent and willing to go the extra mile, I just haven't met any.
This is a textbook example of cognitive dissonance, except you don't even seem to recognise the inconsistency!!
The police I have experienced are utterly useless and couldn't care less.
There are probably some out there that aren't like this. I've not met any
I've maintained this all along. Sadly it is human nature to assume that an experience at the hands of one member of a service will be much the same as another. Perhaps I am guilty of this.
I would like it to be different, but it isn't I'm afraid.
There are probably some out there that aren't like this. I've not met any
I've maintained this all along. Sadly it is human nature to assume that an experience at the hands of one member of a service will be much the same as another. Perhaps I am guilty of this.
I would like it to be different, but it isn't I'm afraid.
bmw535i said:
It has attracted some attention, I can't really understand why, but can only assume it's hit a nerve for the reasons I've already said.
Because you've done what a few people do. Get all angry and ranty about something you've read, feel the need to post about but then have all your steam taken away when people who know what they are talking about whom offer a rational and reasonable explanation. Then rather than accept the response you dig in and
bmw535i said:
I'm not really sure how you've concluded my opinion is wrong, but if you do think that it's fair enough. Unsurprisingly, the stupidity displayed by police officers on here hasn't altered my opinion, perhaps just reinforced it.
Just because it's an opinion doesn't make it immune from being wrong. My opinion is the world is flat, for example.
I've provided some hardly-subtle (evidentially too subtle) indications. One of the lowest police-per-head, yet one of the highest people in prison-per-head. Someone needs to undertake high-quality investigations to satisfy the evidential threshold to keep the courts full and keep the prisons full. This alone means only a fool would use the word 'useless' in such a generalised way given one of the most fundamental facets of police work is consistently undertaken to such a high degree.
Crime has consistently fallen since the 1990s. There are many external factors which have influenced this, but constantly improving policing has played its part.
I'm not going to go into too much detail about this part - try to get the prison thing first - but there are many data sets, surveys and other objective material dealing with experiences of the police, confidence in the police and trust in the police which undermine your opinion. These have the obvious benefit of large samples which increases validity.
Try those for starters.
bmw535i said:
Sadly it is human nature to assume that an experience at the hands of one member of a service will be much the same as another.
Speak for yourself. Some of us think better. Hmmm I think the "steam" has been coming from the baying mob as you defiantly refuse to accept that anybody dare suggest the incompetence of police officers.
Saying the world is flat isn't having an opinion.
Saying that police officers I've met are useless is. I'm not saying it's a fact, we all think differently. You won't change my mind, you are only strengthening my opinion I'm afraid
Saying the world is flat isn't having an opinion.
Saying that police officers I've met are useless is. I'm not saying it's a fact, we all think differently. You won't change my mind, you are only strengthening my opinion I'm afraid
bmw535i said:
Hmmm I think the "steam" has been coming from the baying mob as you defiantly refuse to accept that anybody dare suggest the incompetence of police officers.
Saying the world is flat isn't having an opinion.
Saying that police officers I've met are useless is. I'm not saying it's a fact, we all think differently. You won't change my mind, you are only strengthening my opinion I'm afraid
Do you believe that the officers you have met and dealt with in the 2 scenarios you describe were personally responsible for the NFA decisions in those incidents?Saying the world is flat isn't having an opinion.
Saying that police officers I've met are useless is. I'm not saying it's a fact, we all think differently. You won't change my mind, you are only strengthening my opinion I'm afraid
If so, why? If not, why are you continuing to blame them for same?
bmw535i said:
Hmmm I think the "steam" has been coming from the baying mob as you defiantly refuse to accept that anybody dare suggest the incompetence of police officers.
I assume you mean something similar to people refusing to accept there are incompetent police, as opposed to refusing to accept that anyone 'dare to suggest it', since the latter doesn't make much sense. No one has done either. You're presenting a Strawman (look it up) because you're unable to argue against the actual points raised.
bmw535i said:
Saying the world is flat isn't having an opinion.
Of course it can be. bmw535i said:
Saying that police officers I've met are useless is. I'm not saying it's a fact, we all think differently. You won't change my mind, you are only strengthening my opinion I'm afraid
You didn't write your opinion was that it was the ones you've met, you wrote: bmw535i previously said:
My point is I think that the police are utterly useless and couldn't care less. It is just an opinion based on my experiences.
Do you understand the difference? If you're writing about your specific experiences then no one can tell you otherwise as we don't know about them. If you're making a fool's generalisation based off your experiences (as you did above) then people who know better (many on here, it seems) can tell you otherwise.
Pothole said:
o you believe that the officers you have met and dealt with in the 2 scenarios you describe were personally responsible for the NFA decisions in those incidents?
If so, why? If not, why are you continuing to blame them for same?
Yes, because they didn't attend the incidents.If so, why? If not, why are you continuing to blame them for same?
La Liga said:
o you understand the difference?
If you're writing about your specific experiences then no one can tell you otherwise as we don't know about them. If you're making a fool's generalisation based off your experiences (as you did above) then people who know better (many on here, it seems) can tell you otherwise.
I am. I can't say I've had a positive experience because I haven't. If you're writing about your specific experiences then no one can tell you otherwise as we don't know about them. If you're making a fool's generalisation based off your experiences (as you did above) then people who know better (many on here, it seems) can tell you otherwise.
bmw535i said:
Pothole said:
o you believe that the officers you have met and dealt with in the 2 scenarios you describe were personally responsible for the NFA decisions in those incidents?
If so, why? If not, why are you continuing to blame them for same?
Yes, because they didn't attend the incidents.If so, why? If not, why are you continuing to blame them for same?
bmw535i said:
if I have a good experience, my opinion may change. Sadly I doubt it, many of the attitudes on here seem to confirm it.
That is very sad, but not a total surprise.A man walks in a jungle and sees a snake. It is an old snake, but age doesn't normally affect the way a snake looks, only acts. He goes close to the snake and admires it. He puts out his hand and strokes it. He goes happily on his way.
Another time he finds another 'snake', this time a slow worm. To him it is a snake and to most of the rest of the world it is a snake. It is sunning itself on a fallen tree in the early morning and is sluggish. He gets up to it and was able to touch it before it scuttled away.
The next snake he comes across is a black mamba.
Would you fly with a pilot who only learns from experience?
Experience is a great teacher, although, obviously, it often arrives too late.
To form one's opinions solely on limited evidence when there is so much contrary evidence is not the way of an intelligent person, nor of one whose opinions are worth much.
bmw535i said:
The police I have experienced are utterly useless and couldn't care less.
There are probably some out there that aren't like this. I've not met any
I've maintained this all along. Sadly it is human nature to assume that an experience at the hands of one member of a service will be much the same as another. Perhaps I am guilty of this.
I would like it to be different, but it isn't I'm afraid.
Very unfortunately my experience on a number of occasions in the last 3 years. All to do with burglary (of mine and others) and fraud. In all cases evidence which was presented was lost/not taken into account etc and the police shift patterns are so ludicrous no officer has ownership of a case as its quickly handed over to someone else. The stock excuses are:There are probably some out there that aren't like this. I've not met any
I've maintained this all along. Sadly it is human nature to assume that an experience at the hands of one member of a service will be much the same as another. Perhaps I am guilty of this.
I would like it to be different, but it isn't I'm afraid.
1. There's no chance of getting anyone - after being given the car registration number of the burglars car and not investigating it
2. There's no chance of getting anyone - after being told the incident was captured on CCTV and not investigating it
3. There's no chance of getting anyone - after being presented with full information, names, phone numbers, email addresses etc on a significant ongoing fraud
In another case I discovered the remnants of a jewelry burglary and the attending officer took the stuff away but I found out 2 weeks later the victim had no idea that anything had been discovered, no one had told her.
It seems its easier to fudge things rather than do anything and I say that with great regret as I have always held the bib in high regard until recent times. Please note the standard seems to be different between areas, and I believe they are a lot better in some.
Edited by V6Pushfit on Wednesday 25th May 16:13
bmw535i said:
Hmmm I think the "steam" has been coming from the baying mob as you defiantly refuse to accept that anybody dare suggest the incompetence of police officers.
Saying the world is flat isn't having an opinion.
Saying that police officers I've met are useless is. I'm not saying it's a fact, we all think differently. You won't change my mind, you are only strengthening my opinion I'm afraid
You sound like a stroppy teenager. Do please change the record.Saying the world is flat isn't having an opinion.
Saying that police officers I've met are useless is. I'm not saying it's a fact, we all think differently. You won't change my mind, you are only strengthening my opinion I'm afraid
For what it's worth, not all policemen/women are brilliant and diligent - just like people/professionals from all walks of life. However, independent analysis suggests that they are generally doing an increasingly better job with declining levels of resource available to them. This isn't opinion, this is based on data and analysis.
Therefore, to tar an entire group of people based solely on your own experiences, while ignoring evidence to the contrary, makes you sound immature and narrow-minded.
ETA - Derek put it more eloquently than I.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 25th May 16:00
C70R said:
You sound like a stroppy teenager. Do please change the record.
For what it's worth, not all policemen/women are brilliant and diligent - just like people/professionals from all walks of life. However, independent analysis suggests that they are generally doing an increasingly better job with declining levels of resource available to them. This isn't opinion, this is based on data and analysis.
Therefore, to tar an entire group of people based solely on your own experiences, while ignoring evidence to the contrary, makes you sound immature and narrow-minded.
ETA - Derek put it more eloquently than I.
I dare say there are plenty of others who share similar experiences to me. I think I've made it quite clear several times that I'm sure there are good officers about.For what it's worth, not all policemen/women are brilliant and diligent - just like people/professionals from all walks of life. However, independent analysis suggests that they are generally doing an increasingly better job with declining levels of resource available to them. This isn't opinion, this is based on data and analysis.
Therefore, to tar an entire group of people based solely on your own experiences, while ignoring evidence to the contrary, makes you sound immature and narrow-minded.
ETA - Derek put it more eloquently than I.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 25th May 16:00
Derek Smith said:
To form one's opinions solely on limited evidence when there is so much contrary evidence is not the way of an intelligent person, nor of one whose opinions are worth much.
Nicely put, as ever.If everyone remembered this we would have a lot less falling out in the forums!
bmw535i said:
The police I have experienced are utterly useless and couldn't care less.
There are probably some out there that aren't like this. I've not met any
I've maintained this all along. Sadly it is human nature to assume that an experience at the hands of one member of a service will be much the same as another. Perhaps I am guilty of this.
I would like it to be different, but it isn't I'm afraid.
What's the common factor in interactions you have with the police ?There are probably some out there that aren't like this. I've not met any
I've maintained this all along. Sadly it is human nature to assume that an experience at the hands of one member of a service will be much the same as another. Perhaps I am guilty of this.
I would like it to be different, but it isn't I'm afraid.
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