Police too busy!

[mph1977]

bmw535i said:

mph1977 said:

What's the common factor in interactions you have with the police ?

Their incompetence. V6Pushfit has had very similar experiences by the look of it.

try again ;

but I doubt you'll get it ...

i think you'll find V6pushfit's issue may also be similar ...

[anonymous-user]

Yep incompetence and not overly bothered.
As you're trying to be clever and failing you'd fit in well at the local cop shop, that is until they closed it

[anonymous-user]

mph1977 said:

try again ;

but I doubt you'll get it ...

i think you'll find V6pushfit's issue may also be similar ...

No, I was right first time.

[mph1977]

bmw535i said:

mph1977 said:

try again ;

but I doubt you'll get it ...

i think you'll find V6pushfit's issue may also be similar ...

No, I was right first time.

just as I expected and typical pathology on PH ... I won't bother trying to explain it as your lack of insight wouldn;t allow to accept the implication or commprehend the materials ...

[anonymous-user]

mph1977 said:

just as I expected and typical pathology on PH ... I won't bother trying to explain it as your lack of insight wouldn;t allow to accept the implication or commprehend the materials ...

You don't need to.

Are you a police officer?

[mph1977]

bmw535i said:

mph1977 said:

just as I expected and typical pathology on PH ... I won't bother trying to explain it as your lack of insight wouldn;t allow to accept the implication or commprehend the materials ...

You don't need to.

Are you a police officer?

No i'm not, although roles I have had have a lot of the same issues with the attitude cycle and the illusory superiortiy of the powerfully built who believe they know the job better than the actual practitioners ( despite the years of academic and practical training required)

Edited by mph1977 on Wednesday 25th May 19:29

[anonymous-user]

mph1977 said:

No i'm not although roles i have had have a lot of the same issues with the attitude cycle and the illusory superiortiy of he pwerfully built who believe they know the job better than the actual practitioners ( despite the years of acedmic an practical training required)

Good. You're either drunk or just illiterate - perhaps a bit of both. Your posts are quite difficult to decipher I'm afraid.

[anonymous-user]

mph1977 said:

just as I expected and typical pathology on PH ... I won't bother trying to explain it as your lack of insight wouldn;t allow to accept the implication or commprehend the materials ...

You really have no idea of the situations involved in my experiences with the Police or anyone else's and have somehow drawn a conclusion that the ineptness couldn't possibly be from their side.

I have said they didn't bother to contact a burglary victim in 2 weeks to tell her some of her stuff was found within half an hour, actually never checked out the plates on a car parked outside where £8,000 was taken, took 3 months to visit two Europeans who were the only people with office keys and codes the evening of a serious office theft by which time one had 'gone home' to Lithuania, were presented with all the evidence on a fraud case and just didn't want to know (another force took it over and couldn't get why nothing had been done in a year), went to the wrong address 150 miles away and couldn't think to use the mobile phone number they had to phone me so said they didn't make the appointment due to an 'urgent job' and only later letting the truth slip, not bothering to look at CCTV images of a series of car park thefts and damage as it was 'the railway company's issue and must have been kids' - well it wasn't and do 'kids' need alloy wheels and petrol?
There's a lot lot more, those alone involved 5 victims and 2 involved me. I could see them working their shifts to avoid investigating, switching investigating officers and generally trying to avoid logging anything.
It's frankly ridiculous.
The fraud case was progressed by a force in the North and goes to court in a that area in June. The North force told us all they had asked the local police to contact us for statements but we weren't asked for 11 weeks and it took them another 6 to email the statements up North after being chased continually by the Northern team.
They would not survive in any other business it would be on its knees in no time.

And somehow it's not them but 'all them others'
Yeah right

[paintman]

Whilst I'm sure bmw535i enjoys police bashing perhaps he might like to reflect on the glaring shortcomings of his own profession. Glass houses & stones springs to mind.
Comprehensively failed to defeat the Taliban & IS putting Iraq & Afghanistan in the 'too difficult' tray as shown by the withdrawal of UK forces.
Clearly utterly incompetent in Northern Ireland - despite knowing full well the identity of the major players of PIRA & the other organisations. Although I suppose he might argue that shooting dead a few unarmed civilians in 1972 was a major achievement.

[anonymous-user]

bmw535i said:

Good. You're either drunk or just illiterate - perhaps a bit of both. Your posts are quite difficult to decipher I'm afraid.

Unable to interpret straightforward things, drawing completely wrong conclusions, doggedly going in the wrong direction despite evidence to the contrary.
Yep sounds familiar

[Monkeylegend]

paintman said:

Whilst I'm sure bmw535i enjoys police bashing perhaps he might like to reflect on the glaring shortcomings of his own profession. Glass houses & stones springs to mind.
Comprehensively failed to defeat the Taliban & IS putting Iraq & Afghanistan in the 'too difficult' tray as shown by the withdrawal of UK forces.
Clearly utterly incompetent in Northern Ireland - despite knowing full well the identity of the major players of PIRA & the other organisations. Although I suppose he might argue that shooting dead a few civilians in 1972 was a major achievement.

I don't agree with bmw535's views re the police, but your post is disgraceful IMHO.

[anonymous-user]

paintman said:

Whilst I'm sure bmw535i enjoys police bashing perhaps he might like to reflect on the glaring shortcomings of his own profession. Glass houses & stones springs to mind.
Comprehensively failed to defeat the Taliban & IS putting Iraq & Afghanistan in the 'too difficult' tray as shown by the withdrawal of UK forces.
Clearly utterly incompetent in Northern Ireland - despite knowing full well the identity of the major players of PIRA & the other organisations. Although I suppose he might argue that shooting dead a few civilians in 1972 was a major achievement.

Yes, there are some grossly incompetent military personnel and their masters. I'm sure there are similarly incompetent people in all walks of life/jobs.

That doesn't detract from the fact there are incompetent police officers though.

[paintman]

bmw535i said:

paintman said:

Whilst I'm sure bmw535i enjoys police bashing perhaps he might like to reflect on the glaring shortcomings of his own profession. Glass houses & stones springs to mind.
Comprehensively failed to defeat the Taliban & IS putting Iraq & Afghanistan in the 'too difficult' tray as shown by the withdrawal of UK forces.
Clearly utterly incompetent in Northern Ireland - despite knowing full well the identity of the major players of PIRA & the other organisations. Although I suppose he might argue that shooting dead a few civilians in 1972 was a major achievement.

Yes, there are some grossly incompetent military personnel and their masters. I'm sure there are similarly incompetent people in all walks of life/jobs.

That doesn't detract from the fact there are incompetent police officers though.

The response I was expecting. Little point in discussing/arguing with a closed mind. Have fun

[anonymous-user]

Monkeylegend said:

I don't agree with bmw535's views re the police, but your post is disgraceful IMHO.

There have been several attempts to try and get a rise out of me about the army. I recognise the army has had failings in the past and will in the future. If people were as pragmatic about the police situation, change for the better may occur. If people doggedly refuse to accept their organisation can sometimes be at fault, there is little hope of ever seeing it change for the better.

I think people need to calm down a bit and put things in perspective.

[anonymous-user]

paintman said:

The response I was expecting. Little point in discussing/arguing with a closed mind. Have fun

I'm not sure what other response I could give really. You clearly hold the armed forces in low regard and I can understand that. Highlighting some of their shortcomings (done in a rather rash manner IMO) doesn't alter my opinion of the police though.

Did you think that your post would cause me to reconsider?

[paintman]

bmw535i said:

paintman said:

The response I was expecting. Little point in discussing/arguing with a closed mind. Have fun

I'm not sure what other response I could give really. You clearly hold the armed forces in low regard and I can understand that. Highlighting some of their shortcomings (done in a rather rash manner IMO) doesn't alter my opinion of the police though.

Did you think that your post would cause me to reconsider?

No.
Chances of any service getting it right & pleasing all the people all of the time are zero. And those in the services get a little tired of us all being whipping boys when somebody cocks up.
I should perhaps add that being ex Army - infantry - I don't hold the armed forces in low regard Frankly I'm amazed that so much is achieved with so little support.

[Rovinghawk]

XCP said:

Rovinghawk said:

Apparently there's a fair few of them in holiday destinations, acting in such a manner that their leader has been recalled to front office to explain it.

Quite. All adds to the shortages in this country.

Thank you for understanding the point I was making.

XCP said:

Do you believe that when patrol officers here a shout re burglars on premises they just think 'fk it. Can't be arsed' or do you believe that they quite like catching burglars red handed?

I accept the point you're making and have never thought otherwise.

My comment was purely in response to those who blame insufficient resources despite such resources being so blatantly wasted on operations clearly outwith their jurisdiction. Again, they are using 1 of the 5 standard excuses:
"2 The Comprehensive Schools excuse It's only gone wrong because of heavy cuts in staff and budget which have stretched supervisory resources beyond the limit."

[anonymous-user]

paintman said:

No.
Chances of any service getting it right & pleasing all the people all of the time are zero. And those in the services get a little tired of us all being whipping boys when somebody cocks up.
I should perhaps add that being ex Army - infantry - I don't hold the armed forces in low regard Frankly I'm amazed that so much is achieved with so little support.

It's not too clear what services you are referring to, but I don't take any criticism of the army personally. I'm not sure why, if a police officer is competent and diligent, they would take criticism of others so personally. Incompetence shouldn't be celebrated and protected, it should be used to learn from and develop improvements.

Your posts are quite confusing. You start by saying the army achieved nothing (apart from atrocities) in various theatres and then go on to say they have achieved a lot without support and you're amazed by it. Are you a police officer?

[paintman]

Both. Now retired.
Having had the 'all Brit soldiers are murderers' and 'all police officers are incompetent' it does get a little tiresome.

ETA. Mostly because it's utter bks.

Edited by paintman on Wednesday 25th May 20:51

[anonymous-user]

paintman said:

Both. Now retired.
Having had the 'all Brit soldiers are murderers' and 'all police officers are incompetent' it does get a little tiresome.

ETA. Mostly because it's utter bks.

Edited by paintman on Wednesday 25th May 20:51

Even more confusing. What on earth made you say it (the post about NI etc) in the first place then?

I've had people screaming in my face that I'm a baby killer whilst in public in uniform. It doesn't really bother me and it certainly wouldn't make me say the same sort of things to serving soldiers after I retire.