Police too busy!
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Elroy Blue said:
V6Pushfit said:
I couldn't give a toss so I'm hardly going going to put any thought into it. You expect a few posts on PH to rectify the issues when it would take months of consideration and no doubt a huge row with UNISON who would be 'looking after' their members interests ie overtime. You really aren't coming over as able to put forward a valid argument you've cocked up the Tesco criticism for a start, the point was (to spell it out) is they have seamless continuity and communication to keep a large business running 24/7 so that customers don't notice a difference between 8am and 8pm so what have share prices got to do with it? Bizarre
Unison???? What on earth are you on about. Unison have nothing to do with the Police. mph1977 said:
other than all the PCSOs and police staff that a members of unison as the default union for public secotr staff because of the way the fed is setup not even Specials can access it;s services and representation except as a favour' ...
It has absolutely nothing to do with Police Officers or the shifts they work. Time management training would be good idea, plus understanding that if you need to speak to someone you're calling them on an unknown number so it you don't leave a number with the message it can take days for a response. Training in not investigating because your shift ends in a day so it's someone else's problem would be good too.
All these are called being 'proactive'.
As I said, it's lawless around here. If I was attacked or burgled it would take 40+ mins for bib to attend and that's if they go to the right address and not 140 miles away and not phone the number they had for me when I wasn't there, Like last time.
All these are called being 'proactive'.
As I said, it's lawless around here. If I was attacked or burgled it would take 40+ mins for bib to attend and that's if they go to the right address and not 140 miles away and not phone the number they had for me when I wasn't there, Like last time.
V6Pushfit said:
As I said, it's lawless around here. If I was attacked or burgled it would take 40+ mins for bib to attend and that's if they go to the right address and not 140 miles away and not phone the number they had for me when I wasn't there, Like last time.
Lawless 
bmw535i said:
Greendubber said:
Explain what things?
I think the training is excellent.
Incompetence.I think the training is excellent.
You think it's excellent, another officer has stated its a simple fact that it's poor.
It's just people's opinions based on their experience isn't it. 
Some say the training is bad (fact). Some say it's excellent. Who is right?
Perhaps you can see that there isn't really a right or wrong answer. Some people simply refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers and others freely concede that there are. I know who appears the most sensible.
Some say the training is bad (fact). Some say it's excellent. Who is right? Perhaps you can see that there isn't really a right or wrong answer. Some people simply refuse to accept there are poorly trained and incompetent officers and others freely concede that there are. I know who appears the most sensible.
Greendubber said:
Incompetence, is that for the police officers you've had experience of or all police that you have no idea about? (and said they're not all bad when called out)
Called out? Not sure why you keep saying I've said "all police are bad/useless" etc. I've never used that phrase. I said way back on page 4 that im sure they're not. 
Training? Is that the training you've had experience of or other training you have no idea about?
Have you been bullied at work?
bmw535i said:
Called out? Not sure why you keep saying I've said "all police are bad/useless" etc. I've never used that phrase. I said way back on page 4 that im sure they're not.
Training? Is that the training you've had experience of or other training you have no idea about?
Have you been bullied at work?
I think your rather inconsitant posting has been widely pointed out by others already, go and read it.Training? Is that the training you've had experience of or other training you have no idea about?
Have you been bullied at work?
The training I have to do the job, the same job, the same training regardless of where you work. Its what the College of Policing cascade through force to officers.
Have I been bullied at work? no of course not. I dont tolerate that kind of thing anyway.
Greendubber said:
I think your rather inconsitant posting has been widely pointed out by others already, go and read it.
The training I have to do the job, the same job, the same training regardless of where you work. Its what the College of Policing cascade through force to officers.
Have I been bullied at work? no of course not. I dont tolerate that kind of thing anyway.
The misquoting has been rife as usual.The training I have to do the job, the same job, the same training regardless of where you work. Its what the College of Policing cascade through force to officers.
Have I been bullied at work? no of course not. I dont tolerate that kind of thing anyway.
I only wondered. Since 20% of officers have been bullied it's fair to assume at least one of the posters on here has. This would of course affect morale and ones own self worth which could translate into not actually focusing on the job in hand.
There are three stories on the news this morning alone highlighted the incompetence of various police forces. One incident resulted in a mans death.
bmw535i said:
The misquoting has been rife as usual.
I only wondered. Since 20% of officers have been bullied it's fair to assume at least one of the posters on here has. This would of course affect morale and ones own self worth which could translate into not actually focusing on the job in hand.
There are three stories on the news this morning alone highlighted the incompetence of various police forces. One incident resulted in a mans death.
20%, where's that figure from?I only wondered. Since 20% of officers have been bullied it's fair to assume at least one of the posters on here has. This would of course affect morale and ones own self worth which could translate into not actually focusing on the job in hand.
There are three stories on the news this morning alone highlighted the incompetence of various police forces. One incident resulted in a mans death.
Which stories are they?
Independent police commission - same source as the 54% public satisfaction figure.
Hundreds more DNA records of terrorism suspects deleted
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36394494
Legal highs ban: 'Poppers' wrongly seized by Crawley Police
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-363932...
Logan Peters killed himself following police custody
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-3638627...
Hundreds more DNA records of terrorism suspects deleted
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36394494
Legal highs ban: 'Poppers' wrongly seized by Crawley Police
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-363932...
Logan Peters killed himself following police custody
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-3638627...
I would love to have the opposite opinion but I speak as I find.
Lawless here? Yes.
Funny? Yes for the criminals, vandals, burglars and opportunistic thieves.
The last time I was in the station before it closed I heard a telephone call from Sainsburys who had had a daytime theft by a crim who left on a moped down the pedestrian steps a la Italian Job. CCTV of the plates witnesses the lot. It was in the papers the previous week. The officer was trying to explain to an irate manager why the bib hadn't even been to see him yet or done anything at all. Ridiculous.
In fact the reason why I was there was after a large cash theft - after three appointments missed by bib (once they went to wrong address as said before) we pressed for attendance. Officer then attended and she went through everything. 10 days later we asked for an update and eventually (usual two day runaround to speak to someone) I was told they couldn't do anything until I had done a statement. I said WTF? the officer had been with me for an hour and had written everything down - they said did she ask you to sign it? No she never asked! So had to go in and start it all again and guess what - when she had attended she was on the last shift day before 4 days off and 1 week holiday then 4 days off then nights.
Lawless here? Yes.
Funny? Yes for the criminals, vandals, burglars and opportunistic thieves.
The last time I was in the station before it closed I heard a telephone call from Sainsburys who had had a daytime theft by a crim who left on a moped down the pedestrian steps a la Italian Job. CCTV of the plates witnesses the lot. It was in the papers the previous week. The officer was trying to explain to an irate manager why the bib hadn't even been to see him yet or done anything at all. Ridiculous.
In fact the reason why I was there was after a large cash theft - after three appointments missed by bib (once they went to wrong address as said before) we pressed for attendance. Officer then attended and she went through everything. 10 days later we asked for an update and eventually (usual two day runaround to speak to someone) I was told they couldn't do anything until I had done a statement. I said WTF? the officer had been with me for an hour and had written everything down - they said did she ask you to sign it? No she never asked! So had to go in and start it all again and guess what - when she had attended she was on the last shift day before 4 days off and 1 week holiday then 4 days off then nights.
V6Pushfit said:
I would love to have the opposite opinion but I speak as I find.
Lawless here? Yes.
Funny? Yes for the criminals, vandals, burglars and opportunistic thieves.
Exactly. The response of silly giggling to people's opinions only strengthens their belief in their original assertion. The attitude displayed perfectly sums up the don't care attitude.Lawless here? Yes.
Funny? Yes for the criminals, vandals, burglars and opportunistic thieves.
And lastly apologies for the detail but it's what I've witnessed. It's sad to have to write like this as 4 years ago I would have spoken highly about bib and thought they could be relied on.
I'm sure there are other force areas where this shambles doesn't happen and that there are many officers who are diligent and proactive. Those forces really need to get rid of anyone who is inept before the whole country is affected.
I'm sure there are other force areas where this shambles doesn't happen and that there are many officers who are diligent and proactive. Those forces really need to get rid of anyone who is inept before the whole country is affected.
bmw535i said:
Exactly. The response of silly giggling to people's opinions only strengthens their belief in their original assertion. The attitude displayed perfectly sums up the don't care attitude.
Agreed, and finding a response to one part only without seeing the bigger picture.Soldier to Officer: The enemy are about to attack you need to put the playing cards down and grab your gun
Officer: You're completely wrong. Its a rifle. A 'gun' is anything from a pistol to a howitzer determined by length of barrel, calibre and use now where was I - oh yes your turn to deal
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