Police too busy!
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hora said:
This is how media works:
Negative stories sell.
Find like stories and run them so they seems to be a theme.
Part report stories and misquote or change context.
Why do Police blame the media for press failings.
See a misquote of you. Changes it dynamically.
So the media run a story, a police officer says it's not true but can't say why and I'm supposed to just believe that?Negative stories sell.
Find like stories and run them so they seems to be a theme.
Part report stories and misquote or change context.
Why do Police blame the media for press failings.
See a misquote of you. Changes it dynamically.
wiliferus said:
97% of police are fit for the job...
http://www.college.police.uk/News/archive/2014jun/...
Might want to get your own house in order before throwing stones.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/too...
There are plenty of articles to refute your first link.http://www.college.police.uk/News/archive/2014jun/...
Might want to get your own house in order before throwing stones.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/too...
The second one about unfit troops is probably true. However, if a soldier cannot meet the fitness standards, they are discharged.
wiliferus said:
Do provide us with the links then... My link is from the College of Policing, a formal, recognised body. I suspect yours will be from The Daily Mail...
And so are Police Officers! If you can't make the standard you are subject Unsatisfactory Performance Regs and fired.
Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe was quoted as saying that he believed the fitness test standard was too low and that it should be harder. It seems that it has actually got easier in the last few years in order to accomodate the less fit officers.And so are Police Officers! If you can't make the standard you are subject Unsatisfactory Performance Regs and fired.
If a police officer is fired for being unfit, are they replaced?
davemac250 said:
OP - You blithely request sources, yet when provided with a reputable (ok college of policing, but they crunch the numbers) you want more sources and seem to only trust third rate journalists. Have you requested their sources?
60% unfit? FFS have a look around you.
That number, hilarioulsy mis-quoted and taken as gospel by several prize nuggets on here was that 60% of overweight officers who sought help from a screening test were unfit.
Well f
k me. People who go to a health screening as they have concerned found to have a health problem.
Before you try and come up with another twist to you bashing, the numbers who went to the screening was small, those identified offered help - where it was possible, a large proportion were found to be at the end of their service and frankly, in jobs that needed their skill set and they were never going to be patrol officers again.
You know, like you wouldn't deploy a medic as a sniper....
What would be the reason that in 2015, 5700 police officers in England and Wales were absentees?60% unfit? FFS have a look around you.
That number, hilarioulsy mis-quoted and taken as gospel by several prize nuggets on here was that 60% of overweight officers who sought help from a screening test were unfit.
Well f
k me. People who go to a health screening as they have concerned found to have a health problem. Before you try and come up with another twist to you bashing, the numbers who went to the screening was small, those identified offered help - where it was possible, a large proportion were found to be at the end of their service and frankly, in jobs that needed their skill set and they were never going to be patrol officers again.
You know, like you wouldn't deploy a medic as a sniper....
I suppose with any test, if at first you fail, then try and try again.
It does of course make it far easier to pass if the standards are continually reduced and also makes it a fairly pointless test. I'd be interested to know how many officers have been fired for failing to reach the standards and also if they have been replaced.
It does of course make it far easier to pass if the standards are continually reduced and also makes it a fairly pointless test. I'd be interested to know how many officers have been fired for failing to reach the standards and also if they have been replaced.
carreauchompeur said:
The fitness test is a blunt instrument which will be increasingly used to dispense of older (more expensive) officers. I'm a fit 36 year old and even I struggle with the quick turns if my knee isn't happy that day.
I'm sorry but you are not fit if you struggle to achieve 5/4 on a beep test. You say it is going to be used to get rid of people - has this happened already? Derek Smith said:
People with an injury can be fit.
People with an injury can, depending on the injury, perform certain, sometimes most, requirements of the job.
Yes, they can.People with an injury can, depending on the injury, perform certain, sometimes most, requirements of the job.
People who struggle to pass the police fitness test are not fit enough, it's unbelievably easy to achieve the pass mark.
Greendubber said:
Easy pass if I'm honest.
The level for the Police is too low, when I joined it was shuttle runs, body drag and an assault course which was more suited to what the police do on a daily basis. You also had a machine that measured how hard you can push and pull to simulate a struggle with someone.
And with regard to Dibble...... read his post to get more of an idea as to how few police there are.....
It is easy, yes. You'd be amazed at how many soldiers can't pass though - pretty disgraceful.The level for the Police is too low, when I joined it was shuttle runs, body drag and an assault course which was more suited to what the police do on a daily basis. You also had a machine that measured how hard you can push and pull to simulate a struggle with someone.
And with regard to Dibble...... read his post to get more of an idea as to how few police there are.....
I'm a bit confused why you quote me saying things I clearly never have. I'd imagine, like many police officers, you're well practised at claiming people said things they never did.
Bigends said:
Yes I know. They operate a triage system and at least get the ball rolling and have the skills to assess and contact the appropriate resources if 136 isnt appropriate and can provide the proper information from the scene rather than officers guessing what may be wrong and what actions may be necessary. Theyll always attend with an officer, so the One Constable opinion is also present. Theyll advise as to most appropriate course of action
The triage system can often prevent S.136s as the AMP will have access to the NHS data about the person, which often means an appointment etc can be made rather than action then and there.bmw535i said:
What would be the reason that in 2015, 5700 police officers in England and Wales were absentees?
Pregnancy will be a big part I imagine. Edit: I see someone has quoted the Home Office.
bmw535i said:
I suppose with any test, if at first you fail, then try and try again.
It does of course make it far easier to pass if the standards are continually reduced and also makes it a fairly pointless test. I'd be interested to know how many officers have been fired for failing to reach the standards and also if they have been replaced.
The formal, annual fitness test with the processes for failure etc is new. I'm not sure there's been enough time for anyone to have lost their job through it yet. It does of course make it far easier to pass if the standards are continually reduced and also makes it a fairly pointless test. I'd be interested to know how many officers have been fired for failing to reach the standards and also if they have been replaced.
As I pointed out on page 2, it's still no more complicated than this:
La Liga said:
As other have pointed out, it depends on demand what what else was occurring.
Derek Smith said:
To put you out of as much misery as a single post can, I merely pointed out that Dibble's excellent post, showing how the swingeing cuts has meant workloads of such a level that they cannot be serviced, was ignored by you.
To make matters quite funny, but perhaps not hilarious, you then posted: 'It's something I never said.' Indeed.
Not sure what 'Fit up' means but I'm guessing it is something that I feel I might aim at you.
It wasn't ignored, I read it. There were no questions posed though and I'm not obliged to comment on it. Much the same as you have ignored my questions directly asked of you. It's no big deal though, I just assumed you haven't got an answer.To make matters quite funny, but perhaps not hilarious, you then posted: 'It's something I never said.' Indeed.
Not sure what 'Fit up' means but I'm guessing it is something that I feel I might aim at you.
I'm sure you do, and it wouldn't be the first time.
Nobody has answered my question on how many officers have been fired for being unfit and are they replaced in this instance.
How can I surrender? I'm only expressing an opinion - I'm not going to change it just because you want me to. I've already said I know the police are short on numbers. The few they do have, are rubbish. (IMO)
I'm not personally attacking you, so don't take offence. You and others have tried to draw comparisons with the armed forces and also poured scorn on them for being thick etc. I agree with most of the comments, i don't take it as a personal attack as I don't feel it applies to me.
I can only assume you are reacting in such a manner because what I'm saying does apply to you. If the cap fits.....
How can I surrender? I'm only expressing an opinion - I'm not going to change it just because you want me to. I've already said I know the police are short on numbers. The few they do have, are rubbish. (IMO)
I'm not personally attacking you, so don't take offence. You and others have tried to draw comparisons with the armed forces and also poured scorn on them for being thick etc. I agree with most of the comments, i don't take it as a personal attack as I don't feel it applies to me.
I can only assume you are reacting in such a manner because what I'm saying does apply to you. If the cap fits.....
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