Police too busy!

[singlecoil]

bmw535i said:

If not, what else does he mean?

The usual way of deducing meaning is to read the actual words used. That only works with those people who are able to express themselves clearly, though, but it certainly works with Mr Apple.

[anonymous-user]

singlecoil said:

The usual way of deducing meaning is to read the actual words used. That only works with those people who are able to express themselves clearly, though, but it certainly works with Mr Apple.

So........

[RobinOakapple]

singlecoil said:

bmw535i said:

If not, what else does he mean?

The usual way of deducing meaning is to read the actual words used. That only works with those people who are able to express themselves clearly, though, but it certainly works with Mr Apple.

Thanks. I meant what I said but as some posters need clarification, I certainly don't blame the victim but nevertheless they do need to take better care of their own stuff, the fact that villains will take it if they can should not surprise anyone.

[singlecoil]

bmw535i said:

singlecoil said:

The usual way of deducing meaning is to read the actual words used. That only works with those people who are able to express themselves clearly, though, but it certainly works with Mr Apple.

So........

So read what he said, then you will know what he meant

[anonymous-user]

I have

[RobinOakapple]

Well you've had your clarification so time to move on.

[anonymous-user]

I still think what I did - it's hardly been clarified.

So if a victim had taken every possible precaution to prevent a burglary: dogs, cctv, security guards etc and still got robbed - should that change the police response?

[singlecoil]

Talk about missing the point!

[Rovinghawk]

RobinOakapple said:

I reckon BMW 535 and Pushfit are the love children of Rovinghawk and carinaman.

Having considered various responses ranging from crude to erudite, I would like to make the following comment which I believe reflects the spirit of your remark:

Go fk your mother.

[mph1977]

Rovinghawk said:

RobinOakapple said:

I reckon BMW 535 and Pushfit are the love children of Rovinghawk and carinaman.

Having considered various responses ranging from crude to erudite, I would like to make the following comment which I believe reflects the spirit of your remark:

Go fk your mother.

I agree with rovinghawk on this, while rovinghawk may be a person whose interpretation of the law borders on the freewibble at times , he's no where near as much of a anecdata muppet as as those two .

[Greendubber]

mph1977 said:

I agree with rovinghawk on this, while rovinghawk may be a person whose interpretation of the law borders on the freewibble at times , he's no where near as much of a anecdata muppet as as those two .

Maybe carinaman and eclassy then....

[anonymous-user]

I'm going to have to retract my earlier statement and say, Walm, you're right, they are morons

[Elroy Blue]

While this thread ceased to be interesting a while ago, I'd like to know what branch of the army the OP is in. It's clearly not a busy one as he seems spends all day on this forum.

[mph1977]

Greendubber said:

mph1977 said:

I agree with rovinghawk on this, while rovinghawk may be a person whose interpretation of the law borders on the freewibble at times , he's no where near as much of a anecdata muppet as as those two .

Maybe carinaman and eclassy then....

closer to the truth

roving also possesses glimmers of insight ...

[Greendubber]

mph1977 said:

closer to the truth

roving also possesses glimmers of insight ...

I suspect he just enjoys the sport of it all to be honest.

[anonymous-user]

Elroy Blue said:

While this thread ceased to be interesting a while ago, I'd like to know what branch of the army the OP is in. It's clearly not a busy one as he seems spends all day on this forum.

Strangely enough, I was thinking the same about some of the officers on here. Perhaps they're on suspension for various reasons?

I don't know if you know much about the forces, but essentially my particular role generally requires me to be sat at a computer - much the same as most senior ranks. Today, I've awarded myself a day of because I can

[walm]

RobinOakapple said:

I certainly don't blame the victim but nevertheless they do need to take better care of their own stuff, the fact that villains will take it if they can should not surprise anyone.

I don't really want to side with bmw and V6 (dodgy parentage or not) but Robin, this is absolutely classic victim-blaming.

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming
"Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any wrongful act is held entirely or partially responsible for the harm that befell them."

And here: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/oct/27/pen...
"When my friend told me this, my first thought was: how could he have been so naive or slack as to leave the window open? In other words, my initial instinct was to blame him. For that's what we do with the burgled - we blame the victim."

Let's make an exact analogy with Robin's words:

RobinOakapple said:

I certainly don't blame the victim but nevertheless they do need to wear less revealing clothes and drink less, the fact that young men will try to take advantage if they can should not surprise anyone.

Sadly just saying "I don't blame the victim" doesn't make it so - you are absolutely blaming him, if only partially.

[Rovinghawk]

Greendubber said:

I suspect he just enjoys the sport of it all to be honest.

That's one of the smarter things you've ever said.

Sometimes it's for sport, sometimes it's because I have definite views on subjects. Regarding various of our previous 'debates', I'd like to go on record as repeatedly saying I don't dislike police and/or public sector per se- just the bad ones and those who support/shield/excuse them.

[singlecoil]

walm said:

RobinOakapple said:

I certainly don't blame the victim but nevertheless they do need to take better care of their own stuff, the fact that villains will take it if they can should not surprise anyone.

I don't really want to side with bmw and V6 (dodgy parentage or not) but Robin, this is absolutely classic victim-blaming...

I won't presume to speak for him but I will say that from my own POV it's not victim blaming. If he has said that the thief was entitled to take anything that was inadequately protected then I would agree with you, but he didn't.

My own feeling on these matters is that people shouldn't be subject to having their stuff stolen, and that the people who steal stuff are 100% to blame. But that's no reason to be careless in a world where bad people exist.

I don't cycle on public roads because I don't want to be knocked down by a careless or clumsy or speeding motorist. If I did choose to cycle on the road and someone drove into me it would not be my fault, and I would not be to blame, but I would be injured or dead all the same.

[Mk3Spitfire]

Rovinghawk said:

That's one of the smarter things you've ever said.

Sometimes it's for sport, sometimes it's because I have definite views on subjects. Regarding various of our previous 'debates', I'd like to go on record as repeatedly saying I don't dislike police and/or public sector per se- just the bad ones and those who support/shield/excuse them.

And you'll find that the people who dislike corrupt/inept/lazy police the most, are other Police. The good ones. Because it gives us all a bad name.


As far as this "blame the victim" thing goes....it's not really blaming the victim. It's what most response officers (have to) do whenever they respond/clock a crime. They give "crime prevention advice". Often, this amounts to "don't leave your bike outside, unchained, with no security measures in place". You might call it "victim blaming" others might call it "crime prevention advice".


Where did c-man and eclassy go anyway?