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Oh dear, looks like the Police are out to get the OP 
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bmw535i said:
RobinOakapple said:
Anyone with any intelligence?
Your determination to be right has unhinged you. We all have intelligence but have come to different conclusions.
Yes, the wrong ones in some peoples cases. And yes you have intelligence, but it's clearly limited. Walm has quite comprehensively shown that the previous posts were victim blamingYour determination to be right has unhinged you. We all have intelligence but have come to different conclusions.
RobinOakapple said:
bmw535i said:
RobinOakapple said:
Anyone with any intelligence?
Your determination to be right has unhinged you. We all have intelligence but have come to different conclusions.
Yes, the wrong ones in some peoples cases. And yes you have intelligence, but it's clearly limited. Walm has quite comprehensively shown that the previous posts were victim blamingYour determination to be right has unhinged you. We all have intelligence but have come to different conclusions.
Billyray911 said:
24 pages and everyone is just going around in circles.Who is going to stop biting and bow out first?
I used to ignore the nonsensical criticisms of 'the police', especially ones, like this, which pick on an incident and then extrapolate it to everything. It is silly.Then I realised that by allowing such posts to go unchallenged I am, by implication, agreeing with them.
I think this thread has given the serving officers and those who have retired to put their knowledge, honed by years of experience in the service, to the PH massive.
Allow them to dig is not a bad tactic.
To suggest 'the police' don't care or are not struggling under massive pressure is wrong. I think those who have an interest in the matter should slap the OP about a bit figuratively.
I see forums as a sort of pub, or group meeting. If someone makes an outrageous statement then it is challenged or the bloke is sent off to buy a round while the other talk sense. We can't do the latter, so the former is the only option.
Following that analogy, what did the OP expect when accusing people who treat their role, either current or past, with a great deal of care and commitment?
bmw535i said:
Ha ha when the blue lights started I did have a smile - it all turned out fine in the end though. I'm going to put it down to his poor training 
That's the one thing you've said on this thread I agree with! I'll put my head above the parapet and declare myself as a Police trainer. The quality of training due to budget cuts has gone massively down. The force I'm with have cut what was a 30 week program to 21 weeks, and now it's gone down to 13 weeks... The new troops leave training school with the absolute basic knowledge they need to operate.
And for clarity, no, we don't teach number plate rules anymore.
It's tragic, the future of policing is bleak.
wiliferus said:
That's the one thing you've said on this thread I agree with! I'll put my head above the parapet and declare myself as a Police trainer. The quality of training due to budget cuts has gone massively down.
The force I'm with have cut what was a 30 week program to 21 weeks, and now it's gone down to 13 weeks... The new troops leave training school with the absolute basic knowledge they need to operate.
And for clarity, no, we don't teach number plate rules anymore.
It's tragic, the future of policing is bleak.
The force I'm with have cut what was a 30 week program to 21 weeks, and now it's gone down to 13 weeks... The new troops leave training school with the absolute basic knowledge they need to operate.
And for clarity, no, we don't teach number plate rules anymore.
It's tragic, the future of policing is bleak.
To be honest I thought the training would be good until someone else said it was poor. Of course the usual suspects "shot down" this suggestion.
bmw535i said:
wiliferus said:
That's the one thing you've said on this thread I agree with! I'll put my head above the parapet and declare myself as a Police trainer. The quality of training due to budget cuts has gone massively down.
The force I'm with have cut what was a 30 week program to 21 weeks, and now it's gone down to 13 weeks... The new troops leave training school with the absolute basic knowledge they need to operate.
And for clarity, no, we don't teach number plate rules anymore.
It's tragic, the future of policing is bleak.
The force I'm with have cut what was a 30 week program to 21 weeks, and now it's gone down to 13 weeks... The new troops leave training school with the absolute basic knowledge they need to operate.
And for clarity, no, we don't teach number plate rules anymore.
It's tragic, the future of policing is bleak.
To be honest I thought the training would be good until someone else said it was poor. Of course the usual suspects "shot down" this suggestion.
Says it all.
wiliferus said:
bmw535i said:
wiliferus said:
That's the one thing you've said on this thread I agree with! I'll put my head above the parapet and declare myself as a Police trainer. The quality of training due to budget cuts has gone massively down.
The force I'm with have cut what was a 30 week program to 21 weeks, and now it's gone down to 13 weeks... The new troops leave training school with the absolute basic knowledge they need to operate.
And for clarity, no, we don't teach number plate rules anymore.
It's tragic, the future of policing is bleak.
The force I'm with have cut what was a 30 week program to 21 weeks, and now it's gone down to 13 weeks... The new troops leave training school with the absolute basic knowledge they need to operate.
And for clarity, no, we don't teach number plate rules anymore.
It's tragic, the future of policing is bleak.
To be honest I thought the training would be good until someone else said it was poor. Of course the usual suspects "shot down" this suggestion.
Says it all.
Edited by Bigends on Friday 27th May 21:12
bmw535i said:
I think dismissing people's opinions as nonsensical is at best ignorant and at worst arrogant.
I also don't think I've said anything outrageous, although that is subjective. I would define some of the responses as outrageous, particularly the one branded as disgraceful from Mph.
You stated some time back that you have only based your opinions on your own personal experience. You have then used words which many, including me, have taken to be a criticism of all police. You also impose beliefs, feelings and actions to officers you have had experience of.I also don't think I've said anything outrageous, although that is subjective. I would define some of the responses as outrageous, particularly the one branded as disgraceful from Mph.
Nonsensical is a valid modifier of your posts.
You have ignored the posts of serving officers who have described their daily duty. There seems to be no suggestion of lack of care in their posts despite the incredible pressures.
It is patently obvious that the police cannot respond to every call on their resources. They never had, even in the 70s and certainly not now with the increase in demands due to ease of contact and political brownie point scoring. So if there are over 20% fewer officers it is obvious, and I believe even to you, that some calls that were responded to as a matter of course before the swingeing cuts can no longer be serviced.
You want officers to turn up to an RTA. Yet, as pointed out, major crimes cannot be serviced. Major crimes, even when there are bodies and evidence. There are just not enough officers. As I said, a major crime which just a few years ago would have had a team of officers, overseen by a DCI and an SIO who would be a DI now has a DC struggling to cope. And you want a PC to wander over, take details of a drunk driver who, by the time the officer could be spared, is sober. If there is no evidence or any way to resource it, then it will not be investigated over and above recording it.
Get over it: there are insufficient resources to service your desires. You're well miffed, and so are the police, only more so. I talk to serving officers. They all, and that is all, everyone, complain of lack of resources and no being able to do their job as they see it. They have to be mature enough to accept this and carry on. Try this yourself.
It is an indictment of senior officers, PCCs and MPs that they don't publish this so people with a totally unrealistic view of what can be done will have their ignorance removed. At least for those who are willing to accept negation of their prejudices.
Derek Smith said:
You stated some time back that you have only based your opinions on your own personal experience. You have then used words which many, including me, have taken to be a criticism of all police.
Opinions are based on the several daily reports concerning police officers in the news, and also the stupid attitudes on here - in conjunction with my experiences (one of which happened this evening)! You shouldn't have taken my words that way
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