Speeding - Sentencing Guideline consultation

Speeding - Sentencing Guideline consultation

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agtlaw

Original Poster:

6,680 posts

205 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Proposed guideline:



Existing guideline:



Minor differences proposed. I may respond to the consultation.

worsy

5,776 posts

174 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Forgive me, I can't see any difference. Can you point it out?

Vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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worsy said:
Forgive me, I can't see any difference. Can you point it out?
The starting points are different - look at the top of the table.

worsy

5,776 posts

174 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Vaud said:
worsy said:
Forgive me, I can't see any difference. Can you point it out?
The starting points are different - look at the top of the table.
Ah, mitigation for guilty plea removed.

AH33

2,066 posts

134 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Could be worse, especially considering the time we live in.

There's noone to catch me anyway smile

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Is this a government move or a pontification of the courts?

If the former, didn't Dave say "the war on the motorist" was over?

I have a better idea...

Scrap the NSL.

Vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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mybrainhurts said:
Is this a government move or a pontification of the courts?

If the former, didn't Dave say "the war on the motorist" was over?

I have a better idea...

Scrap the NSL.
It's hardly a war on the motorist.

If we had Swiss rules being proposed it would be.

Driving standards too low and roads mostly too crowded to suggest the NSL being removed, much as it's a nice idea.

AH33

2,066 posts

134 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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mybrainhurts said:
If the former, didn't Dave say "the war on the motorist" was over?
Dave said a lot of things.

Also, some people would absolutely piss themselves in terror if the motorway speed limit was raised to the heady heights of 80mph. Brake would spontaneously combust.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

108 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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AH33 said:
Could be worse, especially considering the time we live in.

There's noone to catch me anyway smile
They don't need anyone to catch you, That's your biggest problem if you exceed the limits.

agtlaw

Original Poster:

6,680 posts

205 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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worsy said:
Ah, mitigation for guilty plea removed.
Wrong. You probably mean credit. If so, still wrong.

Vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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agtlaw said:
worsy said:
Ah, mitigation for guilty plea removed.
Wrong. You probably mean credit. If so, still wrong.
That's the only real difference between the 2 images? Or are they not for direct comparison?

Truffs

266 posts

137 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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This, to me, looks like a good thing for drivers. Especially if you have been caught before.

Am I right?

Finally, its an admission that the robots are very effective and the humans are, well, human!

cmaguire

3,589 posts

108 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Is the message basically "Give a not guilty plea a bit more thought if we've had you before."?

agtlaw

Original Poster:

6,680 posts

205 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Truffs said:
This, to me, looks like a good thing for drivers. Especially if you have been caught before.

Am I right?

Finally, its an admission that the robots are very effective and the humans are, well, human!
Good call.

The middle sentencing bracket - not so good. Spot the difference?

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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IMO it's different, that's all. Not arguably better, nor worse, just different.

On that basis, it's also simply a waste of taxpayers' money consulting on it and making a change.

Unless, of course, people don't understand or hear of the change, if it happens, and end up with higher fines than they might if no change were made. Some might see that as a good reason to change.........

AH33

2,066 posts

134 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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agtlaw said:
Good call.

The middle sentencing bracket - not so good. Spot the difference?
I can't see this. What is the difference? My powers of observation need a recharge, clearly

agtlaw

Original Poster:

6,680 posts

205 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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New: Ban or points
Existing: Points or ban

The existing guideline was deliberately put in that order - in contrast with the highest bracket.

Sportidge

1,032 posts

236 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Ah, so before it was more "Points as default option, unless aggravating factors mean a disqual";

Whereas the proposal is "Disqual as default option, unless mitigating factors mean points".

Eeek.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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AH33 said:
mybrainhurts said:
If the former, didn't Dave say "the war on the motorist" was over?
Dave said a lot of things.

Also, some people would absolutely piss themselves in terror if the motorway speed limit was raised to the heady heights of 80mph. Brake would spontaneously combust.
Let's do it, then...hehe

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Thursday 19th May 2016
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Vaud said:
Driving standards too low and roads mostly too crowded to suggest the NSL being removed, much as it's a nice idea.
Driving standards were low before the NSL was introduced.

Crowded roads dictate the pace, it's not possible to achieve high speed thereon. This doesn't mean there are no quiet roads, or quiet times on otherwise busy roads, and there is no justification to limit speed in such circumstances.