Local Plod bagging up on illegal motorists.
Discussion
walm said:
Shouldn't the hit rate be something like 100%?
They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
Should ne but isn't. Some data are wrong. A mate and I were out in his car. He was pulled by a trafpol who'd had an ANPR ping to say "no insurance, stop and check". My pal was insured, in fact he'd just received the renewal notice. Trafpol checked on the PNC, thank you Sir, have a good evening gentlemen.They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
battered said:
walm said:
Shouldn't the hit rate be something like 100%?
They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
Should ne but isn't. Some data are wrong. A mate and I were out in his car. He was pulled by a trafpol who'd had an ANPR ping to say "no insurance, stop and check". My pal was insured, in fact he'd just received the renewal notice. Trafpol checked on the PNC, thank you Sir, have a good evening gentlemen.They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
It just seemed people thought these numbers meant that there might be 50% of cars have no tax!
55palfers said:
50% of vehicles with no tax is amazing. Is that a national average I wonder? Has that % increased since the removal of the tax-disk?
25% with no insurance is scary!
25% with no insurance is scary!
Would be very easy to do more targeted operations. its something like 1 in 10 cars are illegal in some way if you believe the police camera type programs and they then add to say that the distribution of that goes up to 1 in 3 or higher in poor areas.
Easy, drive an ANPR van street by street through the sink estates of said city, have a fleet of car transporter trucks and cops ready for an 0730 raid to sieze all the cars picked up over night on the ANPR. 0730 to get most of them before they leave for work. Have a couple of ANPR units on the main entrance/exits of said estate from 0600 to catch the stragglers and early leavers.
You could literally seize hundreds of vehicles in one go in one city in one night. Some might say it is "targeting the poor" or similar bulls
t but it isnt. its targeting illegal drivers who might just happen to be poor.
Easy, drive an ANPR van street by street through the sink estates of said city, have a fleet of car transporter trucks and cops ready for an 0730 raid to sieze all the cars picked up over night on the ANPR. 0730 to get most of them before they leave for work. Have a couple of ANPR units on the main entrance/exits of said estate from 0600 to catch the stragglers and early leavers.
You could literally seize hundreds of vehicles in one go in one city in one night. Some might say it is "targeting the poor" or similar bulls
t but it isnt. its targeting illegal drivers who might just happen to be poor.walm said:
Shouldn't the hit rate be something like 100%?
They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
I would imagine so. They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
So a multi-agency operation on a busy road managed to find 41 vehicles out of however many that went passed that might have something wrong or not in order.
They say some had multiple offences so probably no tax, insurance or MOT. Therefore somewhere between 20 and less than the 41 pinged were committing an offence.
Perhaps they need to target some different roads if some of the other stats are to be believed e.g. 10% uninsured.
Psycho Warren said:
Would be very easy to do more targeted operations. its something like 1 in 10 cars are illegal in some way if you believe the police camera type programs and they then add to say that the distribution of that goes up to 1 in 3 or higher in poor areas.
Easy, drive an ANPR van street by street through the sink estates of said city, have a fleet of car transporter trucks and cops ready for an 0730 raid to sieze all the cars picked up over night on the ANPR. 0730 to get most of them before they leave for work. Have a couple of ANPR units on the main entrance/exits of said estate from 0600 to catch the stragglers and early leavers.
You could literally seize hundreds of vehicles in one go in one city in one night. Some might say it is "targeting the poor" or similar bullst but it isnt. its targeting illegal drivers who might just happen to be poor.
I've spotted a slight flaw in your plan. Most of them will not be heading off to work.Easy, drive an ANPR van street by street through the sink estates of said city, have a fleet of car transporter trucks and cops ready for an 0730 raid to sieze all the cars picked up over night on the ANPR. 0730 to get most of them before they leave for work. Have a couple of ANPR units on the main entrance/exits of said estate from 0600 to catch the stragglers and early leavers.
You could literally seize hundreds of vehicles in one go in one city in one night. Some might say it is "targeting the poor" or similar bulls
t but it isnt. its targeting illegal drivers who might just happen to be poor.over_the_hill said:
walm said:
Shouldn't the hit rate be something like 100%?
They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
I would imagine so. They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
So a multi-agency operation on a busy road managed to find 41 vehicles out of however many that went passed that might have something wrong or not in order.
They say some had multiple offences so probably no tax, insurance or MOT. Therefore somewhere between 20 and less than the 41 pinged were committing an offence.
Perhaps they need to target some different roads if some of the other stats are to be believed e.g. 10% uninsured.
otolith said:
With that sort of hit rate, ANPR, no doubt.
There are, used to be when patrolling was possible, bobbies who could spot a wrong 'un from a distance. It was impressive, if a little irritating, to see them functioning. That said, there are certain obvious clues. If I was doing nothing I would stop the first motorcycle with two males on it. I got a 100% hit rate for offences, although didn't always report. A lower, but still high, hit rate was for bikes with L-plates.
ANPR is a bit like automatic advance and retard: it might take the skill out of it, but it is very effective.
I got my best stops when I picked cars at random, if you see what I mean. A bit sad I know. I would stop, for instance, every third red car. It meant I had to work at finding something wrong.
walm said:
Shouldn't the hit rate be something like 100%?
They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
"Here's my trade plates in the windscreen, mate."They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
"On my way to a pre-booked MOT, officer."
TooMany2cvs said:
walm said:
Shouldn't the hit rate be something like 100%?
They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
"Here's my trade plates in the windscreen, mate."They didn't pull over 41 random cars and 50% had no tax!!!
ANPR checked all the cars and pinged ones likely missing something in the various databases and the police pulled THEM over, no?
"On my way to a pre-booked MOT, officer."
Feel free to read my response the first time someone pointed that out.
West Mercia have been doing operations like this for some time, multi agency obviously. Perhaps it's no longer PC but early ones were definitely targeted on more than just ANPR aiui. Quite a few dropside Transits got a tug, allegedly. 
Can't just rely on a vehicle bring taxed and insured on the database. THIS test applies, is THIS vehicle insured for THIS driver at THIS time for THIS journey and THIS purpose. Does THIS driver have a valid licence for THIS vehicle and so on. Is THIS vehicle actually the one that we think it is. All that is not picked up by ANPR.
Nothing wrong with a good old copper's nose twitching away imo.
Can't just rely on a vehicle bring taxed and insured on the database. THIS test applies, is THIS vehicle insured for THIS driver at THIS time for THIS journey and THIS purpose. Does THIS driver have a valid licence for THIS vehicle and so on. Is THIS vehicle actually the one that we think it is. All that is not picked up by ANPR.
Nothing wrong with a good old copper's nose twitching away imo.
SYP seem to be going for the foreign registered cars recently, most ignore or aren't aware that once you live over here the temporary importation period doesn't apply and it needs to be registered.
I had an chat with a guy over from Greece and working on his bike who wrongly thought he could live in the UK for 6 months and still ride the bike. Nice guy didn't want him having the bike taken off him.
I had an chat with a guy over from Greece and working on his bike who wrongly thought he could live in the UK for 6 months and still ride the bike. Nice guy didn't want him having the bike taken off him.
DMN said:
Used to see this a lot on the A64 towards York from Leeds. Just after Tadcaster there would be a white lorry with various cameras/sensors looking onto the road, and most of North Yorks traffic Pol sat in various laybys for the next five miles ready to pounce.
NYP ANPR jobs like that usually have at least one ARV as well, as ANPR pulls out some properly naughty boys.They do this regularly near to me on the slip road off the A13 east bound into Lakeside shopping centre. Always amazes me how many they catch with one of the holy trinity not present and correct and generally a few "nice" cars pulled over and stickered to advertise the fact. A real cash cow for Essex Traffic and a great piece of work in my mind every time I see them 
FiF said:
West Mercia have been doing operations like this for some time, multi agency obviously. Perhaps it's no longer PC but early ones were definitely targeted on more than just ANPR aiui. Quite a few dropside Transits got a tug, allegedly.
Can't just rely on a vehicle bring taxed and insured on the database. THIS test applies, is THIS vehicle insured for THIS driver at THIS time for THIS journey and THIS purpose. Does THIS driver have a valid licence for THIS vehicle and so on. Is THIS vehicle actually the one that we think it is. All that is not picked up by ANPR.
Nothing wrong with a good old copper's nose twitching away imo.
Definitely ,FIF. Locally we had a resident drug dealer, who had his supplies dropped off on Thursday/Friday for the weekend. Most folks calling at this house parked will nilly- on the pavement ,blocking dropped kerbs etc. But deliveries took care parking ,and driver would stay in car with engine running ,whilst passenger would call at the house/phone the dealer. I got interested and started to take details of vehicles in the hope of others complaining about dealing. One delivery was very interesting. One week the car, Fiesta, parked up as per HC.VRN came back on DVLA site as a purple Fiesta, which this one was,and totally legal. Next week, the same VRN /model turned up, and something didn't look right- this was a same model ,but colour was WRONG. Next week the car as per DVLA was back. But any Traffic car ANPR would see a Fiesta with a plate and all was legal, EXCEPT the vehicle colour. Can't just rely on a vehicle bring taxed and insured on the database. THIS test applies, is THIS vehicle insured for THIS driver at THIS time for THIS journey and THIS purpose. Does THIS driver have a valid licence for THIS vehicle and so on. Is THIS vehicle actually the one that we think it is. All that is not picked up by ANPR.
Nothing wrong with a good old copper's nose twitching away imo.
It's nice to see that on scrap metal vehicle checks, any and all vans are being targeted. For a while, all scrap metal vehicles were pick-ups, and then the owners wised up that pickups were being targeted, so any van, preferably one sign written was to be preferred.
What is not so nice on the operations is that it's main routes/town centres that are being targeted. What about all the back streets that ANPR vehicles patrol. I'd suspect that ANPR is switched off as the amount of paperwork generated would keep the officer in the station for a most of the rest of the shift.
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