Local Plod bagging up on illegal motorists.
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My stolen car is still showing as Taxed and Insured - Despite its being declared a total loss a month ago. I am assured it has stolen car markers on it however. Police called me last week to update me and said they have no further leads on the burglary/Theft of car.
Would love for stuff like this to happen where I am, they would have a field day!
Would love for stuff like this to happen where I am, they would have a field day!
Given how complicated Road Tax (sorry, Vehicle Excise Duty) is getting, why not do away with it once and for all and put a few pence on a litre of fuel. The more fuel you use the more you pay.
That seems fair enough if you drive a gas-guzzler for just a few miles or a fuel-efficient car for many thousands of miles, and it makes it a LOT harder to avoid paying.
Stop duty-free red diesel but allow rebates to farmers etc who legitimately buy fuel for agricultural/off-road use - the amount of fuel they might fiddle into their road vehicles will surely be tiny against the current VED avoidance, especially if a one-strike offence removes them from any future rebates.
That seems fair enough if you drive a gas-guzzler for just a few miles or a fuel-efficient car for many thousands of miles, and it makes it a LOT harder to avoid paying.
Stop duty-free red diesel but allow rebates to farmers etc who legitimately buy fuel for agricultural/off-road use - the amount of fuel they might fiddle into their road vehicles will surely be tiny against the current VED avoidance, especially if a one-strike offence removes them from any future rebates.
Trixxz said:
My stolen car is still showing as Taxed and Insured - Despite its being declared a total loss a month ago. I am assured it has stolen car markers on it however. Police called me last week to update me and said they have no further leads on the burglary/Theft of car.
Would love for stuff like this to happen where I am, they would have a field day!
It would be on cloned plates by now. Cloned from a fully legal insured car with no stolen markers. It would never flag up.Would love for stuff like this to happen where I am, they would have a field day!
It could also be stored somewhere.
GoneAnon said:
Given how complicated Road Tax (sorry, Vehicle Excise Duty) is getting, why not do away with it once and for all and put a few pence on a litre of fuel. The more fuel you use the more you pay.
You're right, but it doesn't work with the emissions agenda. catso said:
Riley Blue said:
If only each speed camera was also an ANPR camera, the number of illicit vehicles and drivers would soon be reduced.
Or, there'd just be lots of fines sent out in the post to people who would most likely ignore them... La Liga said:
It could also be stored somewhere.
Of course it does. Drive a car with 100g/km emissions 3 times as far as one with 300g/km emissions and you have emitted exactly the same amount but contributed a lot more to wear and tear of the road surface, congestion, etc.GoneAnon said:
Given how complicated Road Tax (sorry, Vehicle Excise Duty) is getting, why not do away with it once and for all and put a few pence on a litre of fuel. The more fuel you use the more you pay.
You're right, but it doesn't work with the emissions agenda. 
La Liga said:
The agenda is to stop people buying / using high-emission vehicles in the first place, thus the structure of the taxation.
That would be acceptable apart from the fact that the information regarding emissions is wholly inaccurate, particularly with regard to older vehicles. When the figures were drawn up there was a significant input from vehicle manufacturers who clearly have a vested interest in selling brand new vehicles, hence the inaccuracies.It also takes no account whatever to the pollution caused by vehicle manufacture; a much greater hazard than emissions. This system simply does not work, as the sale of huge, grossly pollutant vehicles such as Range Rovers and Q series Audis has never been greater.
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GoneAnon said:
La Liga said:
It could also be stored somewhere.
Of course it does. Drive a car with 100g/km emissions 3 times as far as one with 300g/km emissions and you have emitted exactly the same amount but contributed a lot more to wear and tear of the road surface, congestion, etc.GoneAnon said:
Given how complicated Road Tax (sorry, Vehicle Excise Duty) is getting, why not do away with it once and for all and put a few pence on a litre of fuel. The more fuel you use the more you pay.
You're right, but it doesn't work with the emissions agenda. I live in a rural area too, but leave the congestion argument asisde because most of the cars around here drive to Edinburgh or Glasgow every day so DO contribute to the problem, just not in the immediate area.
Given the choice between taxing two cars when I can only drive one at a time, or having duty added to the fuel I actually use, I'd rather go for that and avoid the hassle, the cost, and - of course - removing some/most of the untaxed cars from the road.
If we can arrange for agriculture and haulage to claim a fuel duty rebate, perhaps at source when buying their fuel which will often/mainly be either delivered in bulk or bunkered anyway, what else could go wrong?
Given the choice between taxing two cars when I can only drive one at a time, or having duty added to the fuel I actually use, I'd rather go for that and avoid the hassle, the cost, and - of course - removing some/most of the untaxed cars from the road.
If we can arrange for agriculture and haulage to claim a fuel duty rebate, perhaps at source when buying their fuel which will often/mainly be either delivered in bulk or bunkered anyway, what else could go wrong?
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But, IIRC it takes more energy to produce a new car than it does to do a significant mileage in one. Hence MORE (really?!) tax on fuel isn't fair.
I think a better method would be higher sales tax relative to vehicle weight. On cars/suv's etc, at least.
But, IIRC it takes more energy to produce a new car than it does to do a significant mileage in one. Hence MORE (really?!) tax on fuel isn't fair.
I think a better method would be higher sales tax relative to vehicle weight. On cars/suv's etc, at least.
On this question of putting VED on fuel, the process of keeping a register of vehicles and all the other stuff done by the DVLA still has to be maintained. Doesn't the VED go some ways towards this? Not fully as last time I looked DVLA costs were 100 million plus higher then their income from all sources. Way I see it is that having some measure of their income stops DVLA from throwing money at stuff and easier to put constraints on the budget, makes them make some efforts to keep a track of things as it's their income. Otherwise suspect they would be even more inefficient than they are already.
Of course do admit that all this is just the old case of " same trousers, different pockets."
Of course do admit that all this is just the old case of " same trousers, different pockets."
GoneAnon said:
Stop duty-free red diesel but allow rebates to farmers etc who legitimately buy fuel for agricultural/off-road use - the amount of fuel they might fiddle into their road vehicles will surely be tiny against the current VED avoidance, especially if a one-strike offence removes them from any future rebates.
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