Live streaming while driving

Live streaming while driving

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lemmingjames

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7,433 posts

203 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Anyone seen on the news the new craze of live streaming while driving?

Police want to make it illegal but then is it not using a mobile while driving anyway?

Im not really for people being prosecuted via social media/youtube bad driving but for this

tapereel

1,860 posts

115 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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If you have the phone in your hand then it is using a mobile while driving.

If you are streaming audio and it is in a holder then it is OK. If you are streaming audio and you hold the phone then it's using the phone and is unlawful.

If it is in a holder and it is streaming video and angled towards the driver then it is unlawful as you can't have a tv in a car that the driver can watch while driving so that is unlawful.

The police don't need to try to make this unlawful because it already is.

mel

10,168 posts

274 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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tapereel said:
If it is in a holder and it is streaming video then it is unlawful as you can't have a tv in a car that the driver can watch while driving so that is unlawful.

The police don't need to try to make this unlawful because it already is.
I think he means live streaming from the car, i.e. streaming your journey? Even though I can't imagine anything less interesting than someone wanting to watch my daily commute, but I think it's more aimed at the "Periscope" type "look at me and what crazy stuff I'm about to do" types.

How would this effect some of the top end dashcam type stuff that stores to the cloud? Plus the police would also need another specific exemption written in for their own streaming stuff?

esxste

3,664 posts

105 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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I agree with the assessment that the dangerous aspects of this are already illegal.

Other than the potenital consequences of a world proliferated with live streams from cars, I dont see why it should be illegal to live stream from a car.

Dangerous driving is already illegal.

Driving while holding a mobile phone is illegal.

If its properly mounted and doesn't require frequent manual input, why not?

lemmingjames

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7,433 posts

203 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Sorry i should have been clearer in my excitement of posting in this section.

Basically people are live streaming themselves driving and basically copying what the fat comedian is doing in America with his sing-a-longs. You are getting either solo people doing it via their phones or 'families/multiple people' with the passenger filming.

No road is shown, just the people.

in one bit they said one driver looked at the road for a whole 12 seconds out of a minute while he streamed, another said he almost run someone over on a crossing as he was looking at his feed/phone while streaming.

Im not normally one that thinks social media should be used to prosecute (im thinking of the youtube hereos here) but this is different (to me)

marshalla

15,902 posts

200 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Sounds like Careless Driving or Inconsiderate Driving to me (aka driving without due care and attention), and they're helping us by providing the evidence.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/sectio...

lemmingjames

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7,433 posts

203 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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JHas social media been used though for a conviction just by itself?

marshalla

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200 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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lemmingjames said:
JHas social media been used though for a conviction just by itself?
It has been the main evidence for some non-driving offences.

INWB

896 posts

106 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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lemmingjames said:
Basically people are live streaming themselves driving and basically copying what the fat comedian is doing in America with his sing-a-longs. You are getting either solo people doing it via their phones or 'families/multiple people' with the passenger filming.
Society is going to collapse isn't it? We seem to be turning into morons and this seems to be a hideous glimpse into the future.

How long before we're live streaming our whole lives like some hideous spawn of Peep Show without the internal monologue or wit and Facebook/Social Media on acid mixed with the Truman Show without any production values. People will watch other peoples lives and aspire to them without realising the futility or irony. Why have a life when you can watch the life of someone more interesting? You will have these attention seeking wes like the people live streaming them singing in the car desperately trying to win viewers and likes by finding the net gimmick or thing to make their ultimately shallow lives attractive to others.

lemmingjames

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Wednesday 25th May 2016
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INWB said:
Society is going to collapse isn't it? We seem to be turning into morons and this seems to be a hideous glimpse into the future.

How long before we're live streaming our whole lives like some hideous spawn of Peep Show without the internal monologue or wit and Facebook/Social Media on acid mixed with the Truman Show without any production values. People will watch other peoples lives and aspire to them without realising the futility or irony. Why have a life when you can watch the life of someone more interesting? You will have these attention seeking wes like the people live streaming them singing in the car desperately trying to win viewers and likes by finding the net gimmick or thing to make their ultimately shallow lives attractive to others.
Not sure if your taking a pop at me or not?!

Unfortunately we have alot of that with the trashy follow around a 'celeb' programme. Or is that what you meant as your intellect is above mine and im having trouble comprehending your point.

Truffs

266 posts

137 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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We don`t need any more laws! The ones we have can take care of the numpties.

How the heck anyone expects to get through life these days is anyone`s guess.

lemmingjames

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203 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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i see you havent changed since your dc5 days laugh

If laws cover this already then why arent we hearing of prosecution?

tapereel

1,860 posts

115 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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marshalla said:
lemmingjames said:
JHas social media been used though for a conviction just by itself?
It has been the main evidence for some non-driving offences.
Main in motoring offences too:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...
You Tube responsible for this chap's downfall.

tapereel

1,860 posts

115 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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mel said:
tapereel said:
If it is in a holder and it is streaming video then it is unlawful as you can't have a tv in a car that the driver can watch while driving so that is unlawful.

The police don't need to try to make this unlawful because it already is.
I think he means live streaming from the car, i.e. streaming your journey? Even though I can't imagine anything less interesting than someone wanting to watch my daily commute, but I think it's more aimed at the "Periscope" type "look at me and what crazy stuff I'm about to do" types.

How would this effect some of the top end dashcam type stuff that stores to the cloud? Plus the police would also need another specific exemption written in for their own streaming stuff?
Doh!

In that case if the camera is mounted the video can be used for evidence in dangerous or careless driving.

I've seen a lot from motoring journalists and on the TV.

agtlaw

6,680 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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lemmingjames said:
Anyone seen on the news the new craze of live streaming while driving?

Police want to make it illegal but then is it not using a mobile while driving anyway?

Im not really for people being prosecuted via social media/youtube bad driving but for this
Potential offences:

- Dangerous driving s.2 RTA 1988
- Careless driving s.3 RTA 1988
- Not in proper control s.41D(a) RTA 1988

If the device is hand-held:

- Use of a mobile telephone etc. s.41D(b) RTA 1988


hewlett

2,186 posts

220 months

Wednesday 25th May 2016
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Drove behind a young guy facetiming some girl a few months back. More dangerous for me than him, fascinated by it and driving a bit too close.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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tapereel said:
If you have the phone in your hand then it is using a mobile while driving.

If you are streaming audio and it is in a holder then it is OK. If you are streaming audio and you hold the phone then it's using the phone and is unlawful.

If it is in a holder and it is streaming video and angled towards the driver then it is unlawful as you can't have a tv in a car that the driver can watch while driving so that is unlawful.

The police don't need to try to make this unlawful because it already is.
So if plug my phone into my car and stream music from Spotify or internet radio or TV audio, I'm ok. Unless I hold the phone to skip a track or adjust the volume.

Although if I download the Spotify tracks to my phone first, I can hold the phone to change tracks or adjust the volume.

If I play a cd or listen to the radio or listen to the in car TV, I'm ok. Even if I touch the in car stereo to change a track or station or adjust the volume.

I can watch and listen to in car TV, or make a hands free call while the car is queuing in traffic, but I can't hold a mobile phone while queuing in traffic.

And if I can control my plugged in phone via the car stereo without holding the phone, I'm ok to do that.

Makes perfect sense. To someone.



INWB

896 posts

106 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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lemmingjames said:
Unfortunately we have alot of that with the trashy follow around a 'celeb' programme.
Totally this (not having a pop and sorry if I was explicit). The cult of celebrity is a 21st century disease.

tapereel

1,860 posts

115 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Greg66 said:
tapereel said:
If you have the phone in your hand then it is using a mobile while driving.

If you are streaming audio and it is in a holder then it is OK. If you are streaming audio and you hold the phone then it's using the phone and is unlawful.

If it is in a holder and it is streaming video and angled towards the driver then it is unlawful as you can't have a tv in a car that the driver can watch while driving so that is unlawful.

The police don't need to try to make this unlawful because it already is.
So if plug my phone into my car and stream music from Spotify or internet radio or TV audio, I'm ok. Unless I hold the phone to skip a track or adjust the volume.
That is correct, all OK unless you use the phone while holding it and driving.

Greg66 said:
Although if I download the Spotify tracks to my phone first, I can hold the phone to change tracks or adjust the volume.
No. If you hold the phone and change a track while driving you are using it while driving so unlawful.

Greg66 said:
If I play a cd or listen to the radio or listen to the in car TV, I'm ok. Even if I touch the in car stereo to change a track or station or adjust the volume.
Yes you can do that while driving.
If you have an accident while doing it and evidence shows that led to not being in proper control then that can result in a conviction.

Greg66 said:
I can watch and listen to in car TV, or make a hands free call while the car is queuing in traffic, but I can't hold a mobile phone while queuing in traffic.
You can't watch TV or hold the mobile but you can make a hands-free call.

Greg66 said:
And if I can control my plugged in phone via the car stereo without holding the phone, I'm ok to do that.
Yes
Greg66 said:
Makes perfect sense. To someone.

I can't see why it wouldn't.

It is very simple.

If you are driving it is unlawful to USE a hand-held mobile telephone.
A hand-held mobile telephone is clearly defined in the regulations and in summary is a device that is capable of 2-way communications while held in the hand.

Some say the law is complicated becasue USE is not defined. Yes it is, here it is from Dictionary.com:
verb (used with object), used, using.
1.
to employ for some purpose; put into service; make use of:
to use a knife.
source: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/use

In full summary: If it's a mobile phone and you use it in your hand while driving you have committed the offence. Simples.

Edited by tapereel on Thursday 26th May 14:10

AW111

9,455 posts

132 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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hewlett said:
Drove behind a young guy facetiming some girl a few months back. More dangerous for me than him, fascinated by it and driving a bit too close.
I was following some SUV in stop-start traffic once, and watching the vid that was playing on the seat-back screen along with their rear seat passengers. Got a bit peeved when they turned off just when the movie was getting interesting!