Insurance Question - Nothing to insure
Discussion
This is a question for my insurer, but they're closed until Tuesday, and i need an answer for Monday :-)
Is there generally any way to keep an insurance policy alive, once the insured vehicle has been sold + removed from the policy, in order to accrue NCB?
This is a stupid question because:
- That's a bonkers idea, pay to insure something that doesn't exist and still accrue NCB? It just flat out defies logic, of course that option doesn't exist
- Particular insurers will be different so no-one except the insurer can answer with certainty
However, i'd still like your best shot at an answer. It won't change the sequence of events on Monday but i'm in the throes of desperation because i'm squandering a £500+ saving on insurance to score £3,000 off a dream bike and i can't delay delivery without incurring a £1200 hike in fees. Basically my sweet deal is soured by £500 and it's annoying the fook out of me!
I'm 2 months shy of my first year's NCB on my bike. I'm trading my bike in on Monday, for a bike which my current insurer can't get cover for (confirmed today). They can offer cover in 2 months once i have a year's NCB at ~£500, but not before then. Another insurer will cover today, without NCB, for £1,000, so i'll buy that.
If i delay the delivery of my new bike, it won't qualify for a finance deal and will cost me £1200 extra over a couple of years.
It's illegal to leave the current policy running on my bike for another 2 months after it's been traded in since i will no longer own it and that's a cancellation condition for my policy. Also, if a claim is made when i no longer own it, it will go against my insurance which would still be active.
What are my options for rescuing that NCB with only 2 months left?
Is there generally any way to keep an insurance policy alive, once the insured vehicle has been sold + removed from the policy, in order to accrue NCB?
This is a stupid question because:
- That's a bonkers idea, pay to insure something that doesn't exist and still accrue NCB? It just flat out defies logic, of course that option doesn't exist
- Particular insurers will be different so no-one except the insurer can answer with certainty
However, i'd still like your best shot at an answer. It won't change the sequence of events on Monday but i'm in the throes of desperation because i'm squandering a £500+ saving on insurance to score £3,000 off a dream bike and i can't delay delivery without incurring a £1200 hike in fees. Basically my sweet deal is soured by £500 and it's annoying the fook out of me!
I'm 2 months shy of my first year's NCB on my bike. I'm trading my bike in on Monday, for a bike which my current insurer can't get cover for (confirmed today). They can offer cover in 2 months once i have a year's NCB at ~£500, but not before then. Another insurer will cover today, without NCB, for £1,000, so i'll buy that.
If i delay the delivery of my new bike, it won't qualify for a finance deal and will cost me £1200 extra over a couple of years.
It's illegal to leave the current policy running on my bike for another 2 months after it's been traded in since i will no longer own it and that's a cancellation condition for my policy. Also, if a claim is made when i no longer own it, it will go against my insurance which would still be active.
What are my options for rescuing that NCB with only 2 months left?
- Buy a 2nd mundane bike and transfer the policy there for 2 months, flip the bike and hope to lose less than the ~£300ish (after policy change fees) refund i would receive for transferring the NCB to my new bike.
- ???
Get on eBay and buy the cheapest, nastiest thing with a V5. Put your insurance on that and lob it in the garden/shed/garage/river and leave for 2 months. Job jobbed!
You are bound to find some knackered Chinese, non running moped for £50.
Edit: something like this.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172222430800
You are bound to find some knackered Chinese, non running moped for £50.
Edit: something like this.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172222430800
Edited by AdamIndy on Sunday 29th May 01:02
Spot on! Good work. Whatever you do, if it's Chinese, do not, I repeat, DO NOT be tempted to ride it. They are death traps.
I rode one once. I have done track days on R1's, had a big slide at oulton park on a 600 etc and nothing came close to the Near death experience of riding a Chinese 50cc moped at 30mph!
I rode one once. I have done track days on R1's, had a big slide at oulton park on a 600 etc and nothing came close to the Near death experience of riding a Chinese 50cc moped at 30mph!
OP - you missed some vital information: what is the dream bike you are buying?
I was in a similar situation last year when I was tempted to swap my S 1000 R for an RSV4 but it would have meant starting again on building up my first year of NCB and that was one of the key reasons I didn't go for it.
I was in a similar situation last year when I was tempted to swap my S 1000 R for an RSV4 but it would have meant starting again on building up my first year of NCB and that was one of the key reasons I didn't go for it.
I don't see why you can't just let the old policy run to its end. If you had paid a year up front then sold the bike at month 10, there would probably be no refund due, so the policy could just naturally expire.
The is no issue with 2 people having an insurance policy on the same car as long as only 1 person would claim in an accident. We have a car that my son (a lerrner) and my wife both insure on seperate policies. I assume the same applies to bikes.
The is no issue with 2 people having an insurance policy on the same car as long as only 1 person would claim in an accident. We have a car that my son (a lerrner) and my wife both insure on seperate policies. I assume the same applies to bikes.
SpikeBmth said:
A vehicle cannot be insured twice,
Yes it can. No law against it. There is a law against claiming on 2 policies for the same incident, that's fraud. But OP isn't planning to do that.Only problem is if the new owner of the bike you're selling doesn't insure it, and you don't cancel, if he has an accident, your insurance will come into play as that's what the MID will show.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
SpikeBmth said:
A vehicle cannot be insured twice,
Yes it can. No law against it. There is a law against claiming on 2 policies for the same incident, that's fraud. But OP isn't planning to do that.Only problem is if the new owner of the bike you're selling doesn't insure it, and you don't cancel, if he has an accident, your insurance will come into play as that's what the MID will show.
I'm currently ruminating about a new bike having not owned one for over ten years... Not looking forward to the quotes!
Had already thought of getting a proxy little Yamaha 100 or similar size 'learner' bike and just having it as a toy, whilst rebuilding a NCB/track record.... I procrastinate so may have time
Get a snotter to maintain your policy and park your new toy somewhere safe for the interim. Dealer will probably 'store' it in husband showroom for you! If the ownership isn't in your name, do you have a 'riding other bikes clause'?
Had already thought of getting a proxy little Yamaha 100 or similar size 'learner' bike and just having it as a toy, whilst rebuilding a NCB/track record.... I procrastinate so may have time
Get a snotter to maintain your policy and park your new toy somewhere safe for the interim. Dealer will probably 'store' it in husband showroom for you! If the ownership isn't in your name, do you have a 'riding other bikes clause'?
PurpleMoonlight said:
Are you really going to save any money?
How much of the £1000 will you get back after two months?
I'm betting on around £350, I'd never get the full £500 difference. Quotes for year 3 insurance don't seem to vary as much with 2 years vs 1 years ncb so it's really just this saving I'm aiming for.How much of the £1000 will you get back after two months?
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
and you can't insure an item in which you don't have an insurable interest
Yeah that's what stops me just leaving my policy to run to completion. 2 months with the bike on sale and being test ridden == chance of a claim I'd reckon.I've scored a £150 Chinese 50cc. It's a 2014 with 5k miles. The damaged fairing A suggests it ejected a past rider at some point. Collect next week, I'll take my recip saw to be sure that it fits in the boot of a golf.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
SpikeBmth said:
A vehicle cannot be insured twice,
Yes it can. No law against it. There is a law against claiming on 2 policies for the same incident, that's fraud. But OP isn't planning to do that.Only problem is if the new owner of the bike you're selling doesn't insure it, and you don't cancel, if he has an accident, your insurance will come into play as that's what the MID will show.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
SpikeBmth said:
A vehicle cannot be insured twice,
Yes it can. No law against it. There is a law against claiming on 2 policies for the same incident, that's fraud. But OP isn't planning to do that.Only problem is if the new owner of the bike you're selling doesn't insure it, and you don't cancel, if he has an accident, your insurance will come into play as that's what the MID will show.
98elise said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
SpikeBmth said:
A vehicle cannot be insured twice,
Yes it can. No law against it. There is a law against claiming on 2 policies for the same incident, that's fraud. But OP isn't planning to do that.Only problem is if the new owner of the bike you're selling doesn't insure it, and you don't cancel, if he has an accident, your insurance will come into play as that's what the MID will show.
You can't insure something in which you have no insurable interest
Dog Star said:
Just leave the insurance running - what on earth is likely to happen? Absolutely nothing.
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