How best to word a PCN challenge
Discussion
vonhosen said:
You parked it in contravention of the rules, therefore the first thing to check was whether it had been removed before 'you' went to the Police.
They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
Wow, it's not so much vonhosen but von robot or von perfect!They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
We are all, with the exception of you, human and we all make mistakes. You are banging on about responsibilities yet again when really nobody in this instance was trying to get out of their responsibility or was trying to do anything other than their best.
They sound like they were there to compete and was not trying to do anything other than what was required of them so get off your responsibility horse and spend a few minutes with the humans and realise we are not all as perfect as you.
Truffs said:
vonhosen said:
You parked it in contravention of the rules, therefore the first thing to check was whether it had been removed before 'you' went to the Police.
They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
Wow, it's not so much vonhosen but von robot or von perfect!They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
We are all, with the exception of you, human and we all make mistakes. You are banging on about responsibilities yet again when really nobody in this instance was trying to get out of their responsibility or was trying to do anything other than their best.
They sound like they were there to compete and was not trying to do anything other than what was required of them so get off your responsibility horse and spend a few minutes with the humans and realise we are not all as perfect as you.
Thank you for the kind replies and support gentlemen. I did expect to be given a lot of the typical holier than thou responses that you see all over this forum. But glad it has been refrained here. I will ignore them anyway.
Having issues registering for Pepipoo. No validation email coming through. I will sleep on it now and pick it up in the morning. Thanks for the good luck wishes, much appreciated. Though I suspect the likely outcome will be to swallow the pill and chalk it up to experience. I also suspect they won't be paying for repairs to my car either so I'll be another £60 down for the tracking correction.
Having issues registering for Pepipoo. No validation email coming through. I will sleep on it now and pick it up in the morning. Thanks for the good luck wishes, much appreciated. Though I suspect the likely outcome will be to swallow the pill and chalk it up to experience. I also suspect they won't be paying for repairs to my car either so I'll be another £60 down for the tracking correction.
Truffs said:
vonhosen said:
You parked it in contravention of the rules, therefore the first thing to check was whether it had been removed before 'you' went to the Police.
They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
Wow, it's not so much vonhosen but von robot or von perfect!They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
We are all, with the exception of you, human and we all make mistakes. You are banging on about responsibilities yet again when really nobody in this instance was trying to get out of their responsibility or was trying to do anything other than their best.
They sound like they were there to compete and was not trying to do anything other than what was required of them so get off your responsibility horse and spend a few minutes with the humans and realise we are not all as perfect as you.
He was blaming the council for the wasting Police time when it was him calling the Police due to his wife's error.
It's not about being perfect, it's about accepting responsibility for your actions rather than blaming somebody else.
Yes we all make mistakes (so it's not holier than thou), but rather than seeking to blame others for them take responsibility for them & not seek to blame others.
The person wasting Police time was the OP emanating from his wife's error, not the council.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 31st May 01:01
vonhosen said:
Truffs said:
vonhosen said:
You parked it in contravention of the rules, therefore the first thing to check was whether it had been removed before 'you' went to the Police.
They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
Wow, it's not so much vonhosen but von robot or von perfect!They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
We are all, with the exception of you, human and we all make mistakes. You are banging on about responsibilities yet again when really nobody in this instance was trying to get out of their responsibility or was trying to do anything other than their best.
They sound like they were there to compete and was not trying to do anything other than what was required of them so get off your responsibility horse and spend a few minutes with the humans and realise we are not all as perfect as you.
He was blaming the council for the wasting Police time when it was him calling the Police due to his wife's error.
It's not about being perfect, it's about accepting responsibility for your actions rather than blaming somebody else.
Yes we all make mistakes (so it's not holier than thou), but rather than seeking to blame others for them take responsibility for them & not seek to blame others.
The person wasting Police time was the OP emanating from his wife's error, not the council.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 31st May 01:01
If the council hadn't towed the car, which they clearly shouldn't have done, the police wouldn't have been called.
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
vonhosen said:
Truffs said:
vonhosen said:
You parked it in contravention of the rules, therefore the first thing to check was whether it had been removed before 'you' went to the Police.
They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
Wow, it's not so much vonhosen but von robot or von perfect!They didn't waste Police time, it's the usual blame somebody else for failings that lay closer to home.
Putting myself in your position, when I park in cities away from home with a similar scheme I fill in the permit correctly & display it. If I didn't do it properly then I'd be the one responsible for it.
We are all, with the exception of you, human and we all make mistakes. You are banging on about responsibilities yet again when really nobody in this instance was trying to get out of their responsibility or was trying to do anything other than their best.
They sound like they were there to compete and was not trying to do anything other than what was required of them so get off your responsibility horse and spend a few minutes with the humans and realise we are not all as perfect as you.
He was blaming the council for the wasting Police time when it was him calling the Police due to his wife's error.
It's not about being perfect, it's about accepting responsibility for your actions rather than blaming somebody else.
Yes we all make mistakes (so it's not holier than thou), but rather than seeking to blame others for them take responsibility for them & not seek to blame others.
The person wasting Police time was the OP emanating from his wife's error, not the council.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 31st May 01:01
If the council hadn't towed the car, which they clearly shouldn't have done, the police wouldn't have been called.
Their mistake led to the vehicle being towed. Where is information that the ticketing/towing was a breach of the regs/rules?
It was illegally parked for 10+ hours (failing to display a proper valid permit)
The council didn't contact the Police, the OP did, the mistakes were his all the way & he wasted Police time because of them.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Thank you for the kind replies and support gentlemen. I did expect to be given a lot of the typical holier than thou responses that you see all over this forum. But glad it has been refrained here. I will ignore them anyway.
Having issues registering for Pepipoo. No validation email coming through. I will sleep on it now and pick it up in the morning. Thanks for the good luck wishes, much appreciated. Though I suspect the likely outcome will be to swallow the pill and chalk it up to experience. I also suspect they won't be paying for repairs to my car either so I'll be another £60 down for the tracking correction.
It isn't "hoiler than thou" it is just realism.Having issues registering for Pepipoo. No validation email coming through. I will sleep on it now and pick it up in the morning. Thanks for the good luck wishes, much appreciated. Though I suspect the likely outcome will be to swallow the pill and chalk it up to experience. I also suspect they won't be paying for repairs to my car either so I'll be another £60 down for the tracking correction.
You made a mistake, as a result of which your car was towed.
I am sorry you made the mistake, and it ruined your trip to London.
Hopefully this thread will save someone else from the same fate.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Thank you for the kind replies and support gentlemen. I did expect to be given a lot of the typical holier than thou responses that you see all over this forum. But glad it has been refrained here. I will ignore them anyway.
Having issues registering for Pepipoo. No validation email coming through. I will sleep on it now and pick it up in the morning. Thanks for the good luck wishes, much appreciated. Though I suspect the likely outcome will be to swallow the pill and chalk it up to experience. I also suspect they won't be paying for repairs to my car either so I'll be another £60 down for the tracking correction.
I'd be very tempted to put in a moneyclaim action (after a notice to owner) to get this sorted - document it!Having issues registering for Pepipoo. No validation email coming through. I will sleep on it now and pick it up in the morning. Thanks for the good luck wishes, much appreciated. Though I suspect the likely outcome will be to swallow the pill and chalk it up to experience. I also suspect they won't be paying for repairs to my car either so I'll be another £60 down for the tracking correction.
I doubt they'd respond and sending the bailiffs onto the bailiffs would be brilliant - for extra feel good do you have a "friendly" garage that would add the cost of the tow onto the invoice that you could then pass off as the cost?
vonhosen said:
The car was ticketed & towed because the OP/wife didn't do what was required of them. If they had it wouldn't have been towed.
Their mistake led to the vehicle being towed. Where is information that the ticketing/towing was a breach of the regs/rules?
It was illegally parked for 10+ hours (failing to display a proper valid permit)
The council didn't contact the Police, the OP did, the mistakes were his all the way & he wasted Police time because of them.
The penalty was disproportionate and calling the police was a natural reaction for somebody unfamiliar with the area.Their mistake led to the vehicle being towed. Where is information that the ticketing/towing was a breach of the regs/rules?
It was illegally parked for 10+ hours (failing to display a proper valid permit)
The council didn't contact the Police, the OP did, the mistakes were his all the way & he wasted Police time because of them.
Where do you draw the line? What if they crushed the car? Still OP's fault? What about crushing the car and charging a £1000 disposal fee? Is that ok?
Most people here rightly feel that towing the car for such a minor error is vastly disproportionate. You clearly think it's ok.
General Fluff said:
vonhosen said:
The car was ticketed & towed because the OP/wife didn't do what was required of them. If they had it wouldn't have been towed.
Their mistake led to the vehicle being towed. Where is information that the ticketing/towing was a breach of the regs/rules?
It was illegally parked for 10+ hours (failing to display a proper valid permit)
The council didn't contact the Police, the OP did, the mistakes were his all the way & he wasted Police time because of them.
The penalty was disproportionate and calling the police was a natural reaction for somebody unfamiliar with the area.Their mistake led to the vehicle being towed. Where is information that the ticketing/towing was a breach of the regs/rules?
It was illegally parked for 10+ hours (failing to display a proper valid permit)
The council didn't contact the Police, the OP did, the mistakes were his all the way & he wasted Police time because of them.
Where do you draw the line? What if they crushed the car? Still OP's fault? What about crushing the car and charging a £1000 disposal fee? Is that ok?
Most people here rightly feel that towing the car for such a minor error is vastly disproportionate. You clearly think it's ok.
What do the rules say though? (Because that's the real situation & what has to be dealt with, not a made up 'the way I'd like things to be')
What breaking of the rules led to a situation that Police time was being wasted?
vonhosen said:
What individuals may consider appropriate is a different argument & different people will have different views.
What do the rules say though? (Because that's the real situation & what has to be dealt with, not a made up 'the way I'd like things to be')
What breaking of the rules led to a situation that Police time was being wasted?
If we accept that the police are having to deal with this situation regularly, as we are told here, then it seems fair to say that the rules are causing police time to be wasted.What do the rules say though? (Because that's the real situation & what has to be dealt with, not a made up 'the way I'd like things to be')
What breaking of the rules led to a situation that Police time was being wasted?
General Fluff said:
vonhosen said:
What individuals may consider appropriate is a different argument & different people will have different views.
What do the rules say though? (Because that's the real situation & what has to be dealt with, not a made up 'the way I'd like things to be')
What breaking of the rules led to a situation that Police time was being wasted?
If we accept that the police are having to deal with this situation regularly, as we are told here, then it seems fair to say that the rules are causing police time to be wasted.What do the rules say though? (Because that's the real situation & what has to be dealt with, not a made up 'the way I'd like things to be')
What breaking of the rules led to a situation that Police time was being wasted?
The Police did what the OP should have & checked out the more likely scenario of it being removed prior to considering it stolen.
General Fluff said:
If we accept that the police are having to deal with this situation regularly, as we are told here, then it seems fair to say that the rules are causing police time to be wasted.
And here is the winning point. The von jobsworth is clearly not a believer in the concept of "spirit of the law". Otispunkmeyer, I am with you on this. I was also the subject of what I think predactory tactics by council to make more money.
Car was parked at 1450 on single yellow line when it was in fact in an Enforced Parking Area. My wife checked and did not see the Yellow Sign Display anywhere in the area. Big question is "what are the rules about this?" The answer is probably "no one is supposed to ignore the law.
So yes, one mistake from us.
So:
14h50 car parked on single yellow line but in Enforced Parking Area.
14h55 approx: Traffic warden comes in and has to wait 5 minutes by regulation....
15h01: Issues a PCN
15h02: car lifted by truck removal.
I call that an abuse. I don't think there is ground to contest it. I will try to have a look at appealing for the sake of increasing the statistics. Eventually I will seek compensation "in kind" to make my mind at peace.
Car was parked at 1450 on single yellow line when it was in fact in an Enforced Parking Area. My wife checked and did not see the Yellow Sign Display anywhere in the area. Big question is "what are the rules about this?" The answer is probably "no one is supposed to ignore the law.
So yes, one mistake from us.
So:
14h50 car parked on single yellow line but in Enforced Parking Area.
14h55 approx: Traffic warden comes in and has to wait 5 minutes by regulation....
15h01: Issues a PCN
15h02: car lifted by truck removal.
I call that an abuse. I don't think there is ground to contest it. I will try to have a look at appealing for the sake of increasing the statistics. Eventually I will seek compensation "in kind" to make my mind at peace.
greghm said:
Car was parked at 1450 on single yellow line when it was in fact in an Enforced Parking Area. My wife checked and did not see the Yellow Sign Display anywhere in the area. Big question is "what are the rules about this?" The answer is probably "no one is supposed to ignore the law.
A single yellow line means it's not 24/7, so the times of the restriction should be posted.What was the reason for her failure? Did she simply not check thoroughly enough or was the signage missing?*
For your timeline to be accurate the CEO must have been lying in wait and the tow truck lurking very close by.
greghm said:
I don't think there is ground to contest it.
Inadequate/non-compliant/missing signage certainly is. Which LA did the deed?* Was it in a CPZ? If so, the restrictions only need to be posted at the zone boundary not at each set of bays.
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