Police detain 11 year of girl with a neurological disability

[V8 Fettler]

singlecoil said:

And I guess that will be it until tomorrow morning...

Correct allocation of resources.

[mph1977]

V8 Fettler said:

La Liga said:

ll the examples in the thread are statistical extremes when considering the larger samples.

Fining isn't 'the correct allocation of funding'.

Unfortunately, the amount of police resource expended on MH is not at the statistical extreme.

What fines? Again, there is no fining.

'fines' in terms of NHS funding is interesting - especially when the PCTs were both providers and commissioners of other services - as fining a hospital or Ambulance service was an easy way to keep money within the PCT to build empires ... (despite the PCT as provider urgent care schemes oten being poor schemes with the wrong and poor focus)

[anonymous-user]

V8 Fettler said:

Unfortunately, the amount of police resource expended on MH is not at the statistical extreme.

It is when it comes to inappropriate allocation and the examples provided in the thread.

V8 Fettler said:

What fines? Again, there is no fining.

The financial punishments you essentially talk of, to 'incentivise better management'. It's not much use when there's little to nothing management can do.

[singlecoil]

And I guess that will be it until tomorrow morning...

[V8 Fettler]

La Liga said:

V8 Fettler said:

Unfortunately, the amount of police resource expended on MH is not at the statistical extreme.

It is when it comes to inappropriate allocation and the examples provided in the thread.

V8 Fettler said:

What fines? Again, there is no fining.

The financial punishments you essentially talk of, to 'incentivise better management'. It's not much use when there's little to nothing management can do.

Do you therefore have data to show how many hours Elroy and colleagues book each month for stepping in for MH staff?

Again, the police can already charge for their services, extend this to including charging (not fining) the NHS for stepping in for MH staff.

[V8 Fettler]

mph1977 said:

V8 Fettler said:

La Liga said:

ll the examples in the thread are statistical extremes when considering the larger samples.

Fining isn't 'the correct allocation of funding'.

Unfortunately, the amount of police resource expended on MH is not at the statistical extreme.

What fines? Again, there is no fining.

'fines' in terms of NHS funding is interesting - especially when the PCTs were both providers and commissioners of other services - as fining a hospital or Ambulance service was an easy way to keep money within the PCT to build empires ... (despite the PCT as provider urgent care schemes oten being poor schemes with the wrong and poor focus)

Correct allocation of resources is a more interesting concept.

[V8 Fettler]

singlecoil said:

And I guess that will be it until tomorrow morning...

You could always revisit the thread during the day to check, perhaps once an hour, just in case.

[singlecoil]

V8 Fettler said:

singlecoil said:

And I guess that will be it until tomorrow morning...

You could always revisit the thread during the day to check, perhaps once an hour, just in case.

I don't need to, the pattern is well established.

[anonymous-user]

V8 Fettler said:

Do you therefore have data to show how many hours Elroy and colleagues book each month for stepping in for MH staff?

Again, the police can already charge for their services, extend this to including charging (not fining) the NHS for stepping in for MH staff.

I'm not sure the data is collected. The College of Policing collect global MH data but it's quite general.

[renorti]

Imagine what would happen if you or me tied up a 11 year old girl, can,t see a 11 year old doing a great deal of damage to 6 policemen, police seem to be getting very heavy handed these days must be because they know they can get away with it.

[singlecoil]

renorti said:

Imagine what would happen if you or me tied up a 11 year old girl, can,t see a 11 year old doing a great deal of damage to 6 policemen, police seem to be getting very heavy handed these days must be because they know they can get away with it.

That's satire, Shirley?

[mph1977]

renorti said:

Imagine what would happen if you or me tied up a 11 year old girl, can,t see a 11 year old doing a great deal of damage to 6 policemen, police seem to be getting very heavy handed these days must be because they know they can get away with it.

or the above poster is just demonstrating their utter lack of knowledge of safe control and restraint techniques ...

of course you can put someone to the floor on your own ... but repeated red zone strikes with an ASP , rigid baton or Sjambok are potentially life threatening injuries ...

[Cat]

renorti said:

Imagine what would happen if you or me tied up a 11 year old girl, can,t see a 11 year old doing a great deal of damage to 6 policemen, police seem to be getting very heavy handed these days must be because they know they can get away with it.

Why don't you enlighten everyone and tell us how it should have been dealt with?

Cat

[Terzo123]

Here's some footage of cops trying to control some fluffy wuffy 15 and 16 year old cherubs. The poor child hurt his fist when the offiicer viciously head butted it. All that was needed was some patience and lollipops, not wanton violence and police oppression.

https://youtu.be/IAHgEQZKEHw