Johnny Dangerous - White van driver.

[Alex_225]

spookly said:

I don't understand what these people intend to do if they ever did catch up with you?

I guess it depends if the person they're trying to intimidate is easy to do that to. I'm 6'1 and have tattoos, that's usually a criteria for people to assume I'm a bit of a thug (I'm really not) so you tend to find that if it ever comes to getting out of the car with one of these kinds of muppets, they'll either start to bottle it or try and front it out but usually you can talk people out of it.

Sometimes all it takes is a little bit of their own medicine. Had a guy in a van making it difficult for me to merge in slow traffic. I was almost a cars length ahead but he seemed to think that sitting on my right corner was a better idea. I just looked round at him from the drivers and as soon as he looks at me he's, gesturing and swearing. I did nothing but simply look over my shoulder. I just mouthed quite clearly, 'F*ck off!' and next thing you know he's backed right off. Can't condone it but some people do lose their inferiority issues quite quickly if they realise they can't intimidate.

It seems middle aged men in either white vans, people carriers or motorway mile munchers seem to be the most aggressive, from my personal experience that is.

[Retroman]

PAULJ5555 said:

Whats the long story.......
So he cut you up and then had a go at you, this sounds all very strange. What really happened?

I'd imagine the van cut up the cyclist, cyclist gestured / shouted and then man stopped and got out van.

Vans and other drivers cutting up people on bicycles isn't strange if you've ever cycled on the roads frequently.

[berlintaxi]

PAULJ5555 said:

Shaw Tarse said:

PAULJ5555 said:

Nope - 2 sides to every story and we haven't got the full story from the OP's side yet.

3 sides?

2 sides - it all started between the driver and cyclist, the 3rd person was not in control of a vehicle and came into the story later on.

3 sides, I'm guessing he means the OP's version, the van driver's version and the truth.

[AH33]

Get a car like mine, everyone assumes you're a maniac, nobody rages any more. Its great

[PAULJ5555]

berlintaxi said:

PAULJ5555 said:

Shaw Tarse said:

PAULJ5555 said:

Nope - 2 sides to every story and we haven't got the full story from the OP's side yet.

3 sides?

2 sides - it all started between the driver and cyclist, the 3rd person was not in control of a vehicle and came into the story later on.

3 sides, I'm guessing he means the OP's version, the van driver's version and the truth.

Sorry forgot about the truth bit, probably the most important version of all.

[aw51 121565]

Alex_225 said:

I guess it depends if the person they're trying to intimidate is easy to do that to. I'm 6'1 and have tattoos, that's usually a criteria for people to assume I'm a bit of a thug (I'm really not) so you tend to find that if it ever comes to getting out of the car with one of these kinds of muppets, they'll either start to bottle it or try and front it out but usually you can talk people out of it.

Sometimes all it takes is a little bit of their own medicine. Had a guy in a van making it difficult for me to merge in slow traffic. I was almost a cars length ahead but he seemed to think that sitting on my right corner was a better idea. I just looked round at him from the drivers and as soon as he looks at me he's, gesturing and swearing. I did nothing but simply look over my shoulder. I just mouthed quite clearly, 'F*ck off!' and next thing you know he's backed right off. Can't condone it but some people do lose their inferiority issues quite quickly if they realise they can't intimidate.

It seems middle aged men in either white vans, people carriers or motorway mile munchers seem to be the most aggressive, from my personal experience that is.

Do you behave like this when out shopping? Especially in the tight confines of a supermarket, pushing a trolley? Away from your steel box, just your own frail flesh?

No?

[omgus]

aw51 121565 said:

Do you behave like this when out shopping? Especially in the tight confines of a supermarket, pushing a trolley? Away from your steel box, just your own frail flesh?

No?

Well, i don't.

My mother at she gets less able to deal with people is getting very close to that kind of behaviour.

[Alex_225]

aw51 121565 said:

Alex_225 said:

I guess it depends if the person they're trying to intimidate is easy to do that to. I'm 6'1 and have tattoos, that's usually a criteria for people to assume I'm a bit of a thug (I'm really not) so you tend to find that if it ever comes to getting out of the car with one of these kinds of muppets, they'll either start to bottle it or try and front it out but usually you can talk people out of it.

Sometimes all it takes is a little bit of their own medicine. Had a guy in a van making it difficult for me to merge in slow traffic. I was almost a cars length ahead but he seemed to think that sitting on my right corner was a better idea. I just looked round at him from the drivers and as soon as he looks at me he's, gesturing and swearing. I did nothing but simply look over my shoulder. I just mouthed quite clearly, 'F*ck off!' and next thing you know he's backed right off. Can't condone it but some people do lose their inferiority issues quite quickly if they realise they can't intimidate.

It seems middle aged men in either white vans, people carriers or motorway mile munchers seem to be the most aggressive, from my personal experience that is.

Do you behave like this when out shopping? Especially in the tight confines of a supermarket, pushing a trolley? Away from your steel box, just your own frail flesh?

No?

I wil stand up for myself if someone is being unnecessarily aggressive whether I am in the car or not. I very much doubt the charming gentleman in the van who kicked off for no reason would do so in any other situation than when he is protected by his van.

If someone in a queue in a shop starts being obnoxious I will gladly speak up on the matter. The difference is, that as you referenced there is a sudden bravery that takes over people once they are surrounded by glass and metal.

[spookly]

Alex_225 said:

spookly said:

I don't understand what these people intend to do if they ever did catch up with you?

It seems middle aged men in either white vans, people carriers or motorway mile munchers seem to be the most aggressive, from my personal experience that is.

Sounds about right.

I had someone try and force his way through a narrow gap where I had priority (signed). I didn't budge, and after he moved out of the way he followed in reverse at warp speed to the end of the road - about 300m. He jumped out and came and opened my door. I got out and he looked about 50 and was wearing an Oxfam looking suit, and must have been all of 5'6. I started laughing and he swung at me. Told him that was his only freebie and to FO. He took another swing and missed. I just pushed him and he fell on his arse. Told him to stay there, jumped in and drove off. Funniest thing was the people outside the shops where he decided to try it laughing at him sat in the middle of the road. I'm 6' and 17 stone of mostly muscle (ok, a bit of middle aged spread now)... I don't get intimidated, I just think it's funny.

I have a friend who is known to have a short fuse, and ready to kick off at the drop of a hat despite being 6'2 and streak of p1ss skinny. Years ago I was in his car and someone nicked into a parking space he'd been waiting 5 minutes for. He jumped out with an enormous wrench and started giving it both barrels. had to drag him back into the car.... some people are a danger to themselves.

[spookly]

aw51 121565 said:

Alex_225 said:

Sutff

If someone in a queue in a shop starts being obnoxious I will gladly speak up on the matter. The difference is, that as you referenced there is a sudden bravery that takes over people once they are surrounded by glass and metal.

This. All day.

I'm not violent, never started a fight in my life outside training (boxing & martial arts), don't have much of a temper. I'm more likely to laugh things off or talk things out than get stressed over things.

But.... if someone does something impolite I'll call them on it. People seem surprised by it as nobody seems to say anything usually. Things like people pushing in to a queue, or dumb people stood with their trolley blocking whole supermarket aisles.... just politely tell them why they are a pain in the arse. If they don't like it I don't care. I don't intimidate people, just politely object to their idiocy. I guess if I was a whole load smaller I might be more cautious about who/when I choose to say something.

[Alex_225]

spookly said:

aw51 121565 said:

Alex_225 said:

Sutff

If someone in a queue in a shop starts being obnoxious I will gladly speak up on the matter. The difference is, that as you referenced there is a sudden bravery that takes over people once they are surrounded by glass and metal.

This. All day.

I'm not violent, never started a fight in my life outside training (boxing & martial arts), don't have much of a temper. I'm more likely to laugh things off or talk things out than get stressed over things.

But.... if someone does something impolite I'll call them on it. People seem surprised by it as nobody seems to say anything usually. Things like people pushing in to a queue, or dumb people stood with their trolley blocking whole supermarket aisles.... just politely tell them why they are a pain in the arse. If they don't like it I don't care. I don't intimidate people, just politely object to their idiocy. I guess if I was a whole load smaller I might be more cautious about who/when I choose to say something.

Interesting you mention martial arts as I have trained in Ju Jitsu for the last 4 years or so and they often teach you not to be an aggressor. It's quite the opposite of doing the whole 'hard man' routine as I guess you take some confidence from it and don't feel the need to play it tough. Maybe that also gives confidence in speaking up in specific situations. Maybe not but it sounds like you have a similar mentality to me and various other people I have met through training.

[snorky782]

Alex_225 said:

spookly said:

aw51 121565 said:

Alex_225 said:

Sutff

If someone in a queue in a shop starts being obnoxious I will gladly speak up on the matter. The difference is, that as you referenced there is a sudden bravery that takes over people once they are surrounded by glass and metal.

This. All day.

I'm not violent, never started a fight in my life outside training (boxing & martial arts), don't have much of a temper. I'm more likely to laugh things off or talk things out than get stressed over things.

But.... if someone does something impolite I'll call them on it. People seem surprised by it as nobody seems to say anything usually. Things like people pushing in to a queue, or dumb people stood with their trolley blocking whole supermarket aisles.... just politely tell them why they are a pain in the arse. If they don't like it I don't care. I don't intimidate people, just politely object to their idiocy. I guess if I was a whole load smaller I might be more cautious about who/when I choose to say something.

Interesting you mention martial arts as I have trained in Ju Jitsu for the last 4 years or so and they often teach you not to be an aggressor. It's quite the opposite of doing the whole 'hard man' routine as I guess you take some confidence from it and don't feel the need to play it tough. Maybe that also gives confidence in speaking up in specific situations. Maybe not but it sounds like you have a similar mentality to me and various other people I have met through training.

Looks like we've met the stereotypical PH goatee sporting types at last. In any event I'd win. If you told me to "f*** off" I'd smash your face in, because I'm an 18th Dan, ninjitsu Shogun samurai warrior from 12th century Japan. You'd poo yourself if you knew how easily I could kill you with just a stare.

[AndStilliRise]

snorky782 said:

Alex_225 said:

spookly said:

aw51 121565 said:

Alex_225 said:

Sutff

If someone in a queue in a shop starts being obnoxious I will gladly speak up on the matter. The difference is, that as you referenced there is a sudden bravery that takes over people once they are surrounded by glass and metal.

This. All day.

I'm not violent, never started a fight in my life outside training (boxing & martial arts), don't have much of a temper. I'm more likely to laugh things off or talk things out than get stressed over things.

But.... if someone does something impolite I'll call them on it. People seem surprised by it as nobody seems to say anything usually. Things like people pushing in to a queue, or dumb people stood with their trolley blocking whole supermarket aisles.... just politely tell them why they are a pain in the arse. If they don't like it I don't care. I don't intimidate people, just politely object to their idiocy. I guess if I was a whole load smaller I might be more cautious about who/when I choose to say something.

Interesting you mention martial arts as I have trained in Ju Jitsu for the last 4 years or so and they often teach you not to be an aggressor. It's quite the opposite of doing the whole 'hard man' routine as I guess you take some confidence from it and don't feel the need to play it tough. Maybe that also gives confidence in speaking up in specific situations. Maybe not but it sounds like you have a similar mentality to me and various other people I have met through training.

Looks like we've met the stereotypical PH goatee sporting types at last. In any event I'd win. If you told me to "f*** off" I'd smash your face in, because I'm an 18th Dan, ninjitsu Shogun samurai warrior from 12th century Japan. You'd poo yourself if you knew how easily I could kill you with just a stare.

And that is exactly the point. Is it worth it?

Usually in hindsight you can see things for what they are. A dust up over some tarmac. I for one would say no. I am not prepared to lose anything except air on a situation like this, however it seems people like Johnny Dangerous are willing to go further.

Life is too short as it is and I for one have no time for muppets who believe they are king of the road. However I do hope that his HR dept deal with him in the right way. Perhaps a fine or a warning.

[snorky782]

AndStilliRise said:

snorky782 said:

Alex_225 said:

spookly said:

aw51 121565 said:

Alex_225 said:

Sutff

If someone in a queue in a shop starts being obnoxious I will gladly speak up on the matter. The difference is, that as you referenced there is a sudden bravery that takes over people once they are surrounded by glass and metal.

This. All day.

I'm not violent, never started a fight in my life outside training (boxing & martial arts), don't have much of a temper. I'm more likely to laugh things off or talk things out than get stressed over things.

But.... if someone does something impolite I'll call them on it. People seem surprised by it as nobody seems to say anything usually. Things like people pushing in to a queue, or dumb people stood with their trolley blocking whole supermarket aisles.... just politely tell them why they are a pain in the arse. If they don't like it I don't care. I don't intimidate people, just politely object to their idiocy. I guess if I was a whole load smaller I might be more cautious about who/when I choose to say something.

Interesting you mention martial arts as I have trained in Ju Jitsu for the last 4 years or so and they often teach you not to be an aggressor. It's quite the opposite of doing the whole 'hard man' routine as I guess you take some confidence from it and don't feel the need to play it tough. Maybe that also gives confidence in speaking up in specific situations. Maybe not but it sounds like you have a similar mentality to me and various other people I have met through training.

Looks like we've met the stereotypical PH goatee sporting types at last. In any event I'd win. If you told me to "f*** off" I'd smash your face in, because I'm an 18th Dan, ninjitsu Shogun samurai warrior from 12th century Japan. You'd poo yourself if you knew how easily I could kill you with just a stare.

And that is exactly the point. Is it worth it?

Usually in hindsight you can see things for what they are. A dust up over some tarmac. I for one would say no. I am not prepared to lose anything except air on a situation like this, however it seems people like Johnny Dangerous are willing to go further.

Life is too short as it is and I for one have no time for muppets who believe they are king of the road. However I do hope that his HR dept deal with him in the right way. Perhaps a fine or a warning.

It seems that the two posters above me believe it's worth it based on their comments and their most awesome bare knuckle hard core fighting skills

[Pothole]

AndStilliRise said:

Cant believe there are pricks like this who would want to go to prison over road rage. Really? What is the point for these road heroes.

They don't care.

[spookly]

snorky782 said:

Alex_225 said:

spookly said:

aw51 121565 said:

Alex_225 said:

Sutff

If someone in a queue in a shop starts being obnoxious I will gladly speak up on the matter. The difference is, that as you referenced there is a sudden bravery that takes over people once they are surrounded by glass and metal.

This. All day.

I'm not violent, never started a fight in my life outside training (boxing & martial arts), don't have much of a temper. I'm more likely to laugh things off or talk things out than get stressed over things.

But.... if someone does something impolite I'll call them on it. People seem surprised by it as nobody seems to say anything usually. Things like people pushing in to a queue, or dumb people stood with their trolley blocking whole supermarket aisles.... just politely tell them why they are a pain in the arse. If they don't like it I don't care. I don't intimidate people, just politely object to their idiocy. I guess if I was a whole load smaller I might be more cautious about who/when I choose to say something.

Interesting you mention martial arts as I have trained in Ju Jitsu for the last 4 years or so and they often teach you not to be an aggressor. It's quite the opposite of doing the whole 'hard man' routine as I guess you take some confidence from it and don't feel the need to play it tough. Maybe that also gives confidence in speaking up in specific situations. Maybe not but it sounds like you have a similar mentality to me and various other people I have met through training.

Looks like we've met the stereotypical PH goatee sporting types at last. In any event I'd win. If you told me to "f*** off" I'd smash your face in, because I'm an 18th Dan, ninjitsu Shogun samurai warrior from 12th century Japan. You'd poo yourself if you knew how easily I could kill you with just a stare.

Sand in your vagina?

Missing the point completely there. Point is I'm not aggressive, nor ever starting anything. Not acting the hard man and never do. Hence why I said I POLITELY point out if someone is doing something rude.

There are some complete psychos out there in all shapes and sizes, but I'm not one of them.

[snorky782]

spookly said:

snorky782 said:

Alex_225 said:

spookly said:

aw51 121565 said:

Alex_225 said:

Sutff

If someone in a queue in a shop starts being obnoxious I will gladly speak up on the matter. The difference is, that as you referenced there is a sudden bravery that takes over people once they are surrounded by glass and metal.

This. All day.

I'm not violent, never started a fight in my life outside training (boxing & martial arts), don't have much of a temper. I'm more likely to laugh things off or talk things out than get stressed over things.

But.... if someone does something impolite I'll call them on it. People seem surprised by it as nobody seems to say anything usually. Things like people pushing in to a queue, or dumb people stood with their trolley blocking whole supermarket aisles.... just politely tell them why they are a pain in the arse. If they don't like it I don't care. I don't intimidate people, just politely object to their idiocy. I guess if I was a whole load smaller I might be more cautious about who/when I choose to say something.

Interesting you mention martial arts as I have trained in Ju Jitsu for the last 4 years or so and they often teach you not to be an aggressor. It's quite the opposite of doing the whole 'hard man' routine as I guess you take some confidence from it and don't feel the need to play it tough. Maybe that also gives confidence in speaking up in specific situations. Maybe not but it sounds like you have a similar mentality to me and various other people I have met through training.

Looks like we've met the stereotypical PH goatee sporting types at last. In any event I'd win. If you told me to "f*** off" I'd smash your face in, because I'm an 18th Dan, ninjitsu Shogun samurai warrior from 12th century Japan. You'd poo yourself if you knew how easily I could kill you with just a stare.

Sand in your vagina?

Missing the point completely there. Point is I'm not aggressive, nor ever starting anything. Not acting the hard man and never do. Hence why I said I POLITELY point out if someone is doing something rude.

There are some complete psychos out there in all shapes and sizes, but I'm not one of them.

For someone who thinks I'm missing the point you certainly appear to be offended by my very much tongue in cheek post, based on the opening four words of your post. Don't make me use the left eye death stare sweetcheeks.

[Red Devil]

spookly said:

They do seem to be about.

I had someone in a small van pull out on me on a roundabout when I had right of way (I was in the process of entering roundabout from his right). Had to brake hard not to hit him. Then he was sticking his fingers up at me out of his window.... bless.

As the road opened up I breezed past him, so he decided to try and chase me. It was really quite funny him trying to follow in his sheddy van. He followed me for about 2 or 3 miles then we got to a DC NSL and I just floored it and left him...

I don't understand what these people intend to do if they ever did catch up with you?

I have no idea, but before they did some innocent third party could become the victim of their red mist - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[PAULJ5555]

spookly said:

They do seem to be about.

I had someone in a small van pull out on me on a roundabout when I had right of way (I was in the process of entering roundabout from his right). Had to brake hard not to hit him.

From what you said it sounds like he entered the roundabout before you did(maybe only just) and that would give him the right of way.

I found over the last few years when someone makes a mistake on the roads they try to make out its your fault by shouting or sticking their finger up, a simple sorry is a much better way forward.

[walm]

PAULJ5555 said:

From what you said it sounds like he entered the roundabout before you did(maybe only just) and that would give him the right of way.

I think you need to re-think how you enter roundabouts.

You give way to the right.

What you are suggesting is that whoever pulls onto the roundabout first has right of way and that is wrong.
If you approach and there is no one to your right, you SHOULD be able to enter without worrying that someone to your left is going to try and sneak in front of you.

Highway code says, "Always give priority to the traffic coming from the right" - that doesn't mean JUST traffic already on the roundabout.