Johnny Dangerous - White van driver.

[Alex_225]

spookly said:

Sand in your vagina?

Missing the point completely there. Point is I'm not aggressive, nor ever starting anything. Not acting the hard man and never do. Hence why I said I POLITELY point out if someone is doing something rude.

There are some complete psychos out there in all shapes and sizes, but I'm not one of them.

I wouldn't bother trying to explain it chap, as your post quite rightly pointed out it's not about aggression or being harder than anyone else.

My point was that perhaps it's a confidence thing that you feel you can/should stand up to bullies or at least don't need to just accept it. Be it on the road or any other public scenario. I personally am not going to end up locked up due to some muppet by going in fists first, I've actually talked people out of aggression without any physicality.

I suspect any kind of rational conversation on the subject will probably be ignored. Martial arts makes no one immortal nor does it qualify anyone as a tough guy, it is disciplined and actually pretty humbling but I'm guessing there's somewhat of a general ignorance towards it from some.

[spookly]

PAULJ5555 said:

spookly said:

They do seem to be about.

I had someone in a small van pull out on me on a roundabout when I had right of way (I was in the process of entering roundabout from his right). Had to brake hard not to hit him.

From what you said it sounds like he entered the roundabout before you did(maybe only just) and that would give him the right of way.

I found over the last few years when someone makes a mistake on the roads they try to make out its your fault by shouting or sticking their finger up, a simple sorry is a much better way forward.

Nope, I was already entering the roundabout, had crossed the give way lines. He mistakenly thought he'd be able to race through in front of me. But... he misjudged it causing me to brake. I saw him and thought he might do it so was ready to brake which was lucky for both of us.

[spookly]

Alex_225 said:

I wouldn't bother trying to explain it chap, as your post quite rightly pointed out it's not about aggression or being harder than anyone else.

My point was that perhaps it's a confidence thing that you feel you can/should stand up to bullies or at least don't need to just accept it. Be it on the road or any other public scenario. I personally am not going to end up locked up due to some muppet by going in fists first, I've actually talked people out of aggression without any physicality.

I suspect any kind of rational conversation on the subject will probably be ignored. Martial arts makes no one immortal nor does it qualify anyone as a tough guy, it is disciplined and actually pretty humbling but I'm guessing there's somewhat of a general ignorance towards it from some.

Nail, head.

[Vocal Minority]

AndStilliRise said:

Cant believe there are pricks like this who would want to go to prison over road rage. Really? What is the point for these road heroes.

I can't believe there are people in the world with so little to be proud of in their life, how they are treated on the road is perceived to be the last bastion of their dignity - and so worth getting so damn angry when they don't get their way

The sort of person who'd use the phrase 'you think you're better than me?' totally unprovoked

Edited by Vocal Minority on Thursday 16th June 11:03

[snorky782]

spookly said:

Alex_225 said:

I wouldn't bother trying to explain it chap, as your post quite rightly pointed out it's not about aggression or being harder than anyone else.

My point was that perhaps it's a confidence thing that you feel you can/should stand up to bullies or at least don't need to just accept it. Be it on the road or any other public scenario. I personally am not going to end up locked up due to some muppet by going in fists first, I've actually talked people out of aggression without any physicality.

I suspect any kind of rational conversation on the subject will probably be ignored. Martial arts makes no one immortal nor does it qualify anyone as a tough guy, it is disciplined and actually pretty humbling but I'm guessing there's somewhat of a general ignorance towards it from some.

Nail, head.

Wax on, wax off Daniel san

Your post reads like this "I'd call anyone out on anything they did that doesn't sit with my own moral level. I'd also be very good at it due to my fighting training."

You can put in as much zen BS as you like but the reality is that if I stood in front of you and told you to eff off, then any physical response from you would see you in a much worse position than me.

[walm]

snorky782 said:

...any physical response from you would see you in a much worse position than me.

[jith]

snorky782 said:

spookly said:

Alex_225 said:

I wouldn't bother trying to explain it chap, as your post quite rightly pointed out it's not about aggression or being harder than anyone else.

My point was that perhaps it's a confidence thing that you feel you can/should stand up to bullies or at least don't need to just accept it. Be it on the road or any other public scenario. I personally am not going to end up locked up due to some muppet by going in fists first, I've actually talked people out of aggression without any physicality.

I suspect any kind of rational conversation on the subject will probably be ignored. Martial arts makes no one immortal nor does it qualify anyone as a tough guy, it is disciplined and actually pretty humbling but I'm guessing there's somewhat of a general ignorance towards it from some.

Nail, head.

Wax on, wax off Daniel san

Your post reads like this "I'd call anyone out on anything they did that doesn't sit with my own moral level. I'd also be very good at it due to my fighting training."

You can put in as much zen BS as you like but the reality is that if I stood in front of you and told you to eff off, then any physical response from you would see you in a much worse position than me.

Ah, you're the guy who's "17 stone of mostly muscle". Why don't you come down to my Kendo club, and once you've been smacked on the head a few times with a shinai, (a bloody hard bamboo pole) by guys half your size and weight, and realise you didn't even see them twitch let alone see it coming, you might start to understand the concepts of humility, philosophy, inward thought and most importantly self control. This gives you the confidence to be able to confront those who would be violent without rising to violence itself.

J

[walm]

Seriously?
Are you guys 9 years old?

Whose dad is harder than whose?

[spookly]

snorky782 said:

spookly said:

Alex_225 said:

I wouldn't bother trying to explain it chap, as your post quite rightly pointed out it's not about aggression or being harder than anyone else.

My point was that perhaps it's a confidence thing that you feel you can/should stand up to bullies or at least don't need to just accept it. Be it on the road or any other public scenario. I personally am not going to end up locked up due to some muppet by going in fists first, I've actually talked people out of aggression without any physicality.

I suspect any kind of rational conversation on the subject will probably be ignored. Martial arts makes no one immortal nor does it qualify anyone as a tough guy, it is disciplined and actually pretty humbling but I'm guessing there's somewhat of a general ignorance towards it from some.

Nail, head.

Wax on, wax off Daniel san

Your post reads like this "I'd call anyone out on anything they did that doesn't sit with my own moral level. I'd also be very good at it due to my fighting training."

You can put in as much zen BS as you like but the reality is that if I stood in front of you and told you to eff off, then any physical response from you would see you in a much worse position than me.

I'm starting to think there is something up with you. Don't know whether it is your reading comprehension or your internet hardman façade :-)

It isn't whether it is my moral level. Some things are just plain rude and accepted as such by everyone - it helps us all get along nicely... clearly you have a lower level of morals than the rest of society.

Nowhere did I say I would be 'good at it' or that you need to be good at anything to call people out on rude behaviour. But being a bigger bloke who has done fight training you would expect that I would not be as likely to be intimidated, no? Getting hit isn't much of a novelty after a while.

So, if you told me to eff off you'd put me in a worse position to you if I responded physically?? Where did I say anything other than I don't think physical response is appropriate? You completely miss the point of what was said. And if you think words would be enough to get me riled enough to hit someone then you'd be very mistaken. As I already said, I have never started a fight... so why would I make an exception for you?

And as to whether I'd end up in a worse position than you - maybe, maybe not. As I said before all it takes is one lucky shot which is why physical confrontation is so stupid even ignoring the legal repercussions.

Jog on keyboard warrior.

[spookly]

jith said:

snorky782 said:

spookly said:

Alex_225 said:

I wouldn't bother trying to explain it chap, as your post quite rightly pointed out it's not about aggression or being harder than anyone else.

My point was that perhaps it's a confidence thing that you feel you can/should stand up to bullies or at least don't need to just accept it. Be it on the road or any other public scenario. I personally am not going to end up locked up due to some muppet by going in fists first, I've actually talked people out of aggression without any physicality.

I suspect any kind of rational conversation on the subject will probably be ignored. Martial arts makes no one immortal nor does it qualify anyone as a tough guy, it is disciplined and actually pretty humbling but I'm guessing there's somewhat of a general ignorance towards it from some.

Nail, head.

Wax on, wax off Daniel san

Your post reads like this "I'd call anyone out on anything they did that doesn't sit with my own moral level. I'd also be very good at it due to my fighting training."

You can put in as much zen BS as you like but the reality is that if I stood in front of you and told you to eff off, then any physical response from you would see you in a much worse position than me.

Ah, you're the guy who's "17 stone of mostly muscle". Why don't you come down to my Kendo club, and once you've been smacked on the head a few times with a shinai, (a bloody hard bamboo pole) by guys half your size and weight, and realise you didn't even see them twitch let alone see it coming, you might start to understand the concepts of humility, philosophy, inward thought and most importantly self control. This gives you the confidence to be able to confront those who would be violent without rising to violence itself.

J

I think you got us mixed up. But I agree completely, your last statement is exactly what I've been saying all along. Rude people can be confronted but there is no need for violence.

[Alex_225]

snorky782 said:

spookly said:

Alex_225 said:

I wouldn't bother trying to explain it chap, as your post quite rightly pointed out it's not about aggression or being harder than anyone else.

My point was that perhaps it's a confidence thing that you feel you can/should stand up to bullies or at least don't need to just accept it. Be it on the road or any other public scenario. I personally am not going to end up locked up due to some muppet by going in fists first, I've actually talked people out of aggression without any physicality.

I suspect any kind of rational conversation on the subject will probably be ignored. Martial arts makes no one immortal nor does it qualify anyone as a tough guy, it is disciplined and actually pretty humbling but I'm guessing there's somewhat of a general ignorance towards it from some.

Nail, head.

Wax on, wax off Daniel san

Your post reads like this "I'd call anyone out on anything they did that doesn't sit with my own moral level. I'd also be very good at it due to my fighting training."

You can put in as much zen BS as you like but the reality is that if I stood in front of you and told you to eff off, then any physical response from you would see you in a much worse position than me.

Haha I assume that's you joking around? I don't mean that in the sense that 'you better be joking' in a Stella fuelled, inferiority complex way I mean it in the, 'you really don't need to prove yourself via the keyboard' kind of way.

Sadly I suspect it's the former and what you're really saying there is that if I was a mindless thug and tried to swing at you, you'd sort me out. So be it, I really don't feel the need to justify my manliness via the fury of my keyboard. If you're confident in your abilities then fair play to you.

You do seem to miss my point though, in that I said I felt confident enough to stand up to bullies, be it on the road or face to face. It doesn't mean that by standing up for myself that involves me fighting with someone, that's a last resort. All I referenced with regards martial arts is that they give you some confidence that some may lack without it, some just have all out bravado and dismiss it (such as yourself) and you're entitled to that opinion.

[Username888]

Couple of acquaintances of mine had a tit for tat with some bloke last week, - he decided to follow them and at the first opportunity got out of his car, and sprayed pepper spray into said acquaintance's window, - next to him his wife, and 1 year old in the back seat. Luckily all were okay, but it took a while for them to recover.

It's just not worth getting involved these days. Keep in mind the bigger picture. I have brought myself a big, quiet, luxurious cruiser, - from here, I just shut out our aggressive roads which are filled with small minded, short sighted (not literally) angry, petty idiots.

[Username888]

walm said:

snorky782 said:

...any physical response from you would see you in a much worse position than me.

I assumed he meant from a legal perspective, - not a hard-man one.

[snorky782]

Username888 said:

walm said:

snorky782 said:

...any physical response from you would see you in a much worse position than me.

I assumed he meant from a legal perspective, - not a hard-man one.

Which I 100% did. However, the non violent, non-aggressive martial arts types went straight for the physical combat approach.

That speaks volumes

[roofer]

walm said:

Seriously?
Are you guys 9 years old?

Whose dad is harder than whose?

Indeed.

[snorky782]

roofer said:

walm said:

Seriously?
Are you guys 9 years old?

Whose dad is harder than whose?

Indeed.

If you read my posts they are quite clearly tongue in cheek, however it somehow got the mellow, laid back martial arts types frothing at the mouth. My point was no more than to show how many of those laughing at road rage can fly off the handle with the merest provocation.

[roofer]

snorky782 said:

roofer said:

walm said:

Seriously?
Are you guys 9 years old?

Whose dad is harder than whose?

Indeed.

If you read my posts they are quite clearly tongue in cheek, however it somehow got the mellow, laid back martial arts types frothing at the mouth. My point was no more than to show how many of those laughing at road rage can fly off the handle with the merest provocation.

I did actually understand your approach.

[snorky782]

roofer said:

snorky782 said:

roofer said:

walm said:

Seriously?
Are you guys 9 years old?

Whose dad is harder than whose?

Indeed.

If you read my posts they are quite clearly tongue in cheek, however it somehow got the mellow, laid back martial arts types frothing at the mouth. My point was no more than to show how many of those laughing at road rage can fly off the handle with the merest provocation.

I did actually understand your approach.

At last! Nobody else seems to have grasped it though amd we even had one jump in defending the tough guys with threats of hitting me with some garden canes!

[Alex_225]

snorky782 said:

Which I 100% did. However, the non violent, non-aggressive martial arts types went straight for the physical combat approach.

That speaks volumes

Could you highlight where any of the 'martial arts' types went straight for physical combat? That's not trying to be a provocative question I'm just intrigued where anyone said they'd be starting a fight. Standing up to a bully is what I was referencing but unless you're a mindless thug that doesn't require swinging punches.

snorky782 said:

You can put in as much zen BS as you like but the reality is that if I stood in front of you and told you to eff off, then any physical response from you would see you in a much worse position than me.

You claim to be 'tongue in cheek' and maybe that's your intention but responses like the one here make you sound like you have a real chip on your chip on your shoulder. In real life that's probably not the case at all and probably the internet doing it's thing but it is ironic how you're calling other people 'tough guys' yet no one has said they'd be tougher than anyone else, except you!?

Edited by Alex_225 on Friday 17th June 10:00

[walm]

Alex, you may have forgotten his first post (I know I did).
It makes the follow-ups make more sense.

snorky782 said:

Looks like we've met the stereotypical PH goatee sporting types at last. In any event I'd win. If you told me to "f*** off" I'd smash your face in, because I'm an 18th Dan, ninjitsu Shogun samurai warrior from 12th century Japan. You'd poo yourself if you knew how easily I could kill you with just a stare.

And you and spookly were the ones to bring up martial arts and how it gives you the confidence to call people out when they do something rude like jumping the queue.
It wasn't going full PH-Director but not far off!!
A classic humble-brag.