Tracing a mobile number
Discussion
944fan said:
I worked for the police a few years back as a civvy and did some work with the department who handled all things like this. The phone companies were very stringent about releasing the live triangulation data. It had to be authorised by the chief constable and there had to be a demonstrable immediate danger to life for it to be agreed.
Historical data like was person X in place Y at a particular time was easier to get but still required a lot of authorisation but could be used to confirm if someone was in an area where a crime was committed - wasn't perfect obviously as it only showed the phone was there and of course the toe rag had "lent it to their mate"
Quite right. The mobile network companies really don't make accessing even a basic triangulation easy. I am told the costs are frightening, several thousand pounds a go. Historical data like was person X in place Y at a particular time was easier to get but still required a lot of authorisation but could be used to confirm if someone was in an area where a crime was committed - wasn't perfect obviously as it only showed the phone was there and of course the toe rag had "lent it to their mate"
Centurion07 said:
Certainly my first thought would've been "OMG, someone's threatening me and my kids!!11!!! Call the police, NOW!!11" rather than "Have I upset someone recently? No? Must be a wrong number then."
That it wasnt directed at me and my family makes the behavior ok then does it? You've not only reported it to the police but then decided to play Poirot yourself AND start a thread to tell people how you and your kids have been threatened but turns out it wasn't directed at you at all. For all you know it could've been a joke between friends.
Just to make it clear: it was a single voicemail, from someone not known to you, with no evidence who it was for, absolutely no threat to you and here you are trying to track them down having already got the police involved. Why?
Just to make it clear: it was a single voicemail, from someone not known to you, with no evidence who it was for, absolutely no threat to you and here you are trying to track them down having already got the police involved. Why?
Centurion07 said:
You've not only reported it to the police but then decided to play Poirot yourself AND start a thread to tell people how you and your kids have been threatened but turns out it wasn't directed at you at all. For all you know it could've been a joke between friends.
Just to make it clear: it was a single voicemail, from someone not known to you, with no evidence who it was for, absolutely no threat to yyou and here you are trying to track them down having already got the police involved. Why?
Curiosity.Just to make it clear: it was a single voicemail, from someone not known to you, with no evidence who it was for, absolutely no threat to yyou and here you are trying to track them down having already got the police involved. Why?
Care to answer my question now? Or you just here to troll?
Centurion07 said:
If it's a genuine threat then no, it's not acceptable.
So, what are you hoping to get out of 1. calling the police. 2. doing your own detective work. 3. this thread?
As I said in the op, it has been unsettling. Despite rationally "knowing" its a prank call (though threatening to kill kids is a bit odd imho) I'm after a bit peace of mind.So, what are you hoping to get out of 1. calling the police. 2. doing your own detective work. 3. this thread?
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Centurion07 said:
I could understand it being a bit unsettling if it was actually for you, but as I said earlier; if you don't know anyone that would actually threaten you like that, then why go to all the trouble you're seemingly going to? Just forget about it & get on with your life.
If it was a wrong number then the threat may be real against the intended recipient. If the nutter did carry out the threat then the police should be aware of the threat so they can locate said nutter/murdering cow.Rubbish. They chose to make the call, decided to make threats, they live with the consequences of their actions.
Anyone threatening myself, and my family, i will engage with the police without hesitation. It would be up to the police to determine if it was "fun" or "threatening", and then up to them to determine an appropriate course of action.
I probably would not post a thread on PH however..
Anyone threatening myself, and my family, i will engage with the police without hesitation. It would be up to the police to determine if it was "fun" or "threatening", and then up to them to determine an appropriate course of action.
I probably would not post a thread on PH however..
Centurion07 said:
Yes, because murderers often phone in their threats to wrong numbers don't they? 
Total overreaction.
Until it is known who the caller is how do I know if it's a wrong number though? Total overreaction.
What is the actual point of you posting though? You don't agree with my approach, fair enough, but why then bother to keep going on about it?
Getting the real number behind a withheld number is easy. If you call a Police control room from a withheld number they will see the number. Withholding a number only alters how the caller id is displayed but the routing behind the call still has the originating number within it.
Yes triangulating is more difficult but in most instances just having the number and billing/subscriber number is enough to work out who's at the other end of the line.
Yes triangulating is more difficult but in most instances just having the number and billing/subscriber number is enough to work out who's at the other end of the line.
jimKRFC said:
Until it is known who the caller is how do I know if it's a wrong number though?
What is the actual point of you posting though? You don't agree with my approach, fair enough, but why then bother to keep going on about it?
As I already mentioned, if you can't think of anyone you've upset enough to be issuing death threats then it's not going to be for you.What is the actual point of you posting though? You don't agree with my approach, fair enough, but why then bother to keep going on about it?
As for the second point, it's just until someone else requires trolling.
Centurion07 said:
As I already mentioned, if you can't think of anyone you've upset enough to be issuing death threats then it's not going to be for you.
I have upset one person, not sure if they're that mental though..Centurion07 said:
As for the second point, it's just until someone else requires trolling.
Fair enough 
Henzy said:
Was it a woman who left the voicemail?
Depending on the response form the police, you could follow up by posting the audio from the voicemail on to her FB publicly or privately and ask her to explain?
Couldn't tell, they were disguising their voice could have been a man or a woman.Depending on the response form the police, you could follow up by posting the audio from the voicemail on to her FB publicly or privately and ask her to explain?
I'll update if I hear back from the police.
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