87 year old who shot wife.
Discussion
The greater part of me hopes that a degree of compassion is shown in this case. I've stood where he is now and stepped away but I understand that nothing the court can do will make the slightest impact on a man who has the unwavering belief he's done the right thing.
I can only wonder at his state of mind in the weeks leading up to this.
I do hope he gets to go home and live the rest of his days without punishment.
I can only wonder at his state of mind in the weeks leading up to this.
I do hope he gets to go home and live the rest of his days without punishment.
God what an awful situation to be in, I hope I'd have the strength to do something like that if my wife wanted it.
Dementia is an awful illness and can be terrifying for the person suffering from it because of the confusion and 'strangers' that are around you all the time. Scary if you don't know whats going on. Would be hard to watch someone you love in that state.
Dementia is an awful illness and can be terrifying for the person suffering from it because of the confusion and 'strangers' that are around you all the time. Scary if you don't know whats going on. Would be hard to watch someone you love in that state.
If I was in his position, I hope I'd do the right thing for the person I loved.
Wouldn't shoot them though, makes far too much mess, and would be awful for the people cleaning up.
Best option - big cylinder of Argoshield in the garage and a mask. Bit like gassing yourself in the car without the panicking CO2 response.
Wouldn't shoot them though, makes far too much mess, and would be awful for the people cleaning up.
Best option - big cylinder of Argoshield in the garage and a mask. Bit like gassing yourself in the car without the panicking CO2 response.
Having seen my ex's grandmother decline through dementia I can only say that my experience of the illness is a very sad one. She spent the last couple of years of her life completely bewildered. She would often be scared, genuinely petrified because she has no idea where she was or who she was with. There'd be anger and aggression all of which came from being so confused.
Seeing someone mourn all over again when they are told their husband had died 10 years previously but they were looking for him is heart breaking and that is a from the perspective of someone who wasn't that close.
If that was my partner and she was going through the same suffering, I'd want to end it for them. I think he should commended although I appreciate authorities can't be seen to take a lenient view on it.
Seeing someone mourn all over again when they are told their husband had died 10 years previously but they were looking for him is heart breaking and that is a from the perspective of someone who wasn't that close.
If that was my partner and she was going through the same suffering, I'd want to end it for them. I think he should commended although I appreciate authorities can't be seen to take a lenient view on it.
Red Devil said:
Echoes of this case - www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/man-79-jailed-killing...
and of this, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-30555...A chap next door but one to me drove into his Mrs in a garage and pinned her against the wall. Died in hospital.
I wasn't involved in any decision making, despite being in the process unit, for obvious reasons. But the decision was taken, with the support of the CPS, not to charge him for what was a clear case of dangerous driving (reckless then) or even the more easily proven manslaughter. The reason was age. The chap was all but 80.
Some of the neighbours were less than impressed by the decision, suggesting that he was a menace on the roads, etc. That said, he didn't get another car. But what can one do to the chap.
I felt sorry for the chap. I said good morning to him once when walking past him and he almost fell over in shock. I didn't particularly like the bloke, but was always polite to him.
I wasn't involved in any decision making, despite being in the process unit, for obvious reasons. But the decision was taken, with the support of the CPS, not to charge him for what was a clear case of dangerous driving (reckless then) or even the more easily proven manslaughter. The reason was age. The chap was all but 80.
Some of the neighbours were less than impressed by the decision, suggesting that he was a menace on the roads, etc. That said, he didn't get another car. But what can one do to the chap.
I felt sorry for the chap. I said good morning to him once when walking past him and he almost fell over in shock. I didn't particularly like the bloke, but was always polite to him.
I'm in very much the same situation with my mum,now aged 91. I wish I had the courage to help her end her life,which I know she wants. I can't do it, and it is something I will regret to my own last day. This guy showed great courage and I admire him for it. Which is not to say that he shouldn't be prosecuted but I hope the court is merciful to him.
Jasandjules said:
Drawweight said:
I admit to knowing not a lot about dementia but isn't the patient to a large extent unaware of their circumstances and as such there is no 'suffering'
The suffering is all on the nearest and dearest but is that enough reason to end a life?
Not quite. As I understand it, the sufferer has periods where they are aware and they then panic as they don't know what is happening i.e. why they are not in their own home and why there is a stranger there etc... The suffering is all on the nearest and dearest but is that enough reason to end a life?
Also periods where they have what amounts to a flashback to something which also causes panic and distress.
That is my very limited understanding of the awful nature of this condition. I may well be wrong but that is what is happening to my Nan....
i have no direct knowledge but have a colleague here who is a specialist solicitor for the elderly, is highly trained in the topic from a legal POV and has a mother who is 4 years in care with it...
unfortunately, I have first hand knowledge of the condition.
Both my parents are diagnosed with it.
Mum is in a care home (semi-voluntarily) and Dad is currently on the point of being sectioned to get him into care.
it is a horrible, horrible disease.
My parents went from being 100% normal to this state in under 2 years (they are both early '80s)
The care system in this country is shockingly bad - and despite being upstanding citizens all their lives, and paying taxes, they are having to pay 100% for their care.
And this is with myself and my sister hounding all the 'professionals' on a weekly basis
Contrast that with the benefits scroungers in a council house who will be 100% funded by the LA.
In EXACTLY the same care.
So, I can fully understand and sympathise with the husband and the family of the couple mentioned in the article.
So, so, sad.
just my 2p
Both my parents are diagnosed with it.
Mum is in a care home (semi-voluntarily) and Dad is currently on the point of being sectioned to get him into care.
it is a horrible, horrible disease.
My parents went from being 100% normal to this state in under 2 years (they are both early '80s)
The care system in this country is shockingly bad - and despite being upstanding citizens all their lives, and paying taxes, they are having to pay 100% for their care.
And this is with myself and my sister hounding all the 'professionals' on a weekly basis
Contrast that with the benefits scroungers in a council house who will be 100% funded by the LA.
In EXACTLY the same care.
So, I can fully understand and sympathise with the husband and the family of the couple mentioned in the article.
So, so, sad.
just my 2p
Rude-boy said:
Jasandjules said:
Drawweight said:
I admit to knowing not a lot about dementia but isn't the patient to a large extent unaware of their circumstances and as such there is no 'suffering'
The suffering is all on the nearest and dearest but is that enough reason to end a life?
Not quite. As I understand it, the sufferer has periods where they are aware and they then panic as they don't know what is happening i.e. why they are not in their own home and why there is a stranger there etc... The suffering is all on the nearest and dearest but is that enough reason to end a life?
Also periods where they have what amounts to a flashback to something which also causes panic and distress.
That is my very limited understanding of the awful nature of this condition. I may well be wrong but that is what is happening to my Nan....
i have no direct knowledge but have a colleague here who is a specialist solicitor for the elderly, is highly trained in the topic from a legal POV and has a mother who is 4 years in care with it...
"He" died years ago but his body just keeps on going with no one at the helm.I would love nothing more than to be able to gather the family together and put him to sleep with dignity but we can't.
I completely understand why he did it for his wife, AAUI he tried to pull the trigger on himself too but just couldn't bring himself do it.
red997 said:
unfortunately, I have first hand knowledge of the condition.
Both my parents are diagnosed with it.
Mum is in a care home (semi-voluntarily) and Dad is currently on the point of being sectioned to get him into care.
it is a horrible, horrible disease.
My parents went from being 100% normal to this state in under 2 years (they are both early '80s)
My father, just under 80, has been diagnosed this year.Both my parents are diagnosed with it.
Mum is in a care home (semi-voluntarily) and Dad is currently on the point of being sectioned to get him into care.
it is a horrible, horrible disease.
My parents went from being 100% normal to this state in under 2 years (they are both early '80s)
red997 said:
The care system in this country is shockingly bad
I've been very pleasantly surprised so far by the support he's getting from his LA's social services, from the NHS, from his housing association and from Age UK.red997 said:
- and despite being upstanding citizens all their lives, and paying taxes, they are having to pay 100% for their care.
And this is with myself and my sister hounding all the 'professionals' on a weekly basis
Contrast that with the benefits scroungers in a council house who will be 100% funded by the LA.
In EXACTLY the same care.
I think you mean that your parents have sufficient assets to be able to afford to choose their own care (or have it chosen for them by their family), while the LA picks up the tab for those who would otherwise be on the street destitute. Excuse me for not feeling particularly like subsidising your inheritance through my council tax, won'cha...?And this is with myself and my sister hounding all the 'professionals' on a weekly basis
Contrast that with the benefits scroungers in a council house who will be 100% funded by the LA.
In EXACTLY the same care.
TooMany2cvs said:
red997 said:
unfortunately, I have first hand knowledge of the condition.
Both my parents are diagnosed with it.
Mum is in a care home (semi-voluntarily) and Dad is currently on the point of being sectioned to get him into care.
it is a horrible, horrible disease.
My parents went from being 100% normal to this state in under 2 years (they are both early '80s)
My father, just under 80, has been diagnosed this year.Both my parents are diagnosed with it.
Mum is in a care home (semi-voluntarily) and Dad is currently on the point of being sectioned to get him into care.
it is a horrible, horrible disease.
My parents went from being 100% normal to this state in under 2 years (they are both early '80s)
red997 said:
The care system in this country is shockingly bad
I've been very pleasantly surprised so far by the support he's getting from his LA's social services, from the NHS, from his housing association and from Age UK.red997 said:
- and despite being upstanding citizens all their lives, and paying taxes, they are having to pay 100% for their care.
And this is with myself and my sister hounding all the 'professionals' on a weekly basis
Contrast that with the benefits scroungers in a council house who will be 100% funded by the LA.
In EXACTLY the same care.
I think you mean that your parents have sufficient assets to be able to afford to choose their own care (or have it chosen for them by their family), while the LA picks up the tab for those who would otherwise be on the street destitute. Excuse me for not feeling particularly like subsidising your inheritance through my council tax, won'cha...?And this is with myself and my sister hounding all the 'professionals' on a weekly basis
Contrast that with the benefits scroungers in a council house who will be 100% funded by the LA.
In EXACTLY the same care.
WinstonWolf said:
Unfortunately you have a lot to learn about the care (and the costs) of those with advanced dementia.
I wish I did - but the MiL spent seven years in a care home, self-funded. Whether her cognitive problems were related to her MS or separate didn't seem terribly important.One of my parents neighbours has dementia. Totally lost it, she believes her husband of over 60+ years is stealing from her, has tried to brain him multiple times. She is in a care home.
Currently getting divorced. Solicitors are involved re. stealing.
Nightmare.
I can not wish it on anyone.
Currently getting divorced. Solicitors are involved re. stealing.
Nightmare.
I can not wish it on anyone.
S10GTA said:
Jasandjules said:
S10GTA said:
Whilst many are applauding him, don't you think shooting her was a bit....errr....extreme?
Quick and painless. Better than smothering is it not?WinstonWolf said:
Unfortunately you have a lot to learn about the care (and the costs) of those with advanced dementia.
No I dontNeither myself or my sister require or desire any inheritance
After two lives of paying tax, they are not getting anything back in return for it.
thats the injustice.
I would not wish this vile disease upon anyone.
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