Coach Company Complaint

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surveyor_101

Original Poster:

5,069 posts

178 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Rubin215 said:
The coach is on the roundabout before the van enters.

What is the issue?
Were is the van coming from? The right, you don't give way to vehicles from the right unless they beat you onto the roundabout?

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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surveyor_101 said:
WinstonWolf said:
It's set to private.
sorry try it now
Sorted smile coach carrying too much momentum/overly committed into the junction IMO, he'd have struggled to pull up.

surveyor_101

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5,069 posts

178 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Sorted smile coach carrying too much momentum/overly committed into the junction IMO, he'd have struggled to pull up.
Coach driver should of slowed and allow stream of traffic filtering from right no?

Bearing in mind he is the top gun of coach drivers and medically fit. A little acknowledgement that he got in wrong might of helped.

bigandclever

13,750 posts

237 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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That's good mini-roundabout ignoring from someone wink

surveyor_101

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5,069 posts

178 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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mybrainhurts said:
No, not just you, the other bloke was about as arrogant as you....smile
ok what makes you draw that assessment ?

Vaud

50,283 posts

154 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Faults on both sides. The van driver could be have been more defensive. The coach driver was also not being defensive enough.

Two drivers asserting their positions on a slightly odd roundabout might have caused an issue, but not one I would be overly worried about.

surveyor_101

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5,069 posts

178 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Vaud said:
Faults on both sides. The van driver could be have been more defensive. The coach driver was also not being defensive enough.

Two drivers asserting their positions on a slightly odd roundabout might have caused an issue, but not one I would be overly worried about.
Our driver is the camera car.

The coach driver in my mind should of seen the 3 cars indicating right from his right and waited its not a aygo he could thread through the gap its a 54 seat luxury coach.

The van driver was a bit late but you don't expect the top gun of coaches not to plan for traffic from the right.

surveyor_101

Original Poster:

5,069 posts

178 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Vaud said:
Faults on both sides. The van driver could be have been more defensive. The coach driver was also not being defensive enough.

Two drivers asserting their positions on a slightly odd roundabout might have caused an issue, but not one I would be overly worried about.
If they had come together you don't think the liability would of rested with the coach as the van clear on presenting himself as right hand indication?

Vaud

50,283 posts

154 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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surveyor_101 said:
Our driver is the camera car.

The coach driver in my mind should of seen the 3 cars indicating right from his right and waited its not a ago he could thread through the gap its a 54 seat luxury coach.

The van driver was a bit late but you don't expect the top gun of coaches not to plan for traffic from the right.
I know. I meant faults on both sides - van and coach.

I think you are worrying too much.

ScoobyChris

1,666 posts

201 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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The camera car may well want to brush up on their HC too biggrin:

Rule 188
Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.

Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1) & 16(1)


Chris

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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surveyor_101 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Sorted smile coach carrying too much momentum/overly committed into the junction IMO, he'd have struggled to pull up.
Coach driver should of slowed and allow stream of traffic filtering from right no?

Bearing in mind he is the top gun of coach drivers and medically fit. A little acknowledgement that he got in wrong might of helped.
Plan to slow, prepare to go. He didn't...

surveyor_101

Original Poster:

5,069 posts

178 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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ScoobyChris said:
The camera car may well want to brush up on their HC too biggrin:

Rule 188
Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.

Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1) & 16(1)


Chris
long time no see chris you still got that panda? YOU always drive around painted markings on mini roundabouts?

If not in conflict with other road users its sound in my mind to cut the line.

Also if you not careful going wide of the markings the locals will think your going straight ahead and may enter the roundabout.

surveyor_101

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5,069 posts

178 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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WinstonWolf said:
Plan to slow, prepare to go. He didn't...
You mean the van or the coach driver, they are both a bit quilty of that but dont expect school coach drivers to play fast and lose with kids.

ScoobyChris

1,666 posts

201 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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surveyor_101 said:
like time no see chris you still got that panda? YOU always drive around painted markings on mini roundabouts?

If not in conflict with other road users its sound in my mind to cut the line.

Also if you not careful going wide of the markings the locals will think your going straight ahead and may enter the roundabout.
Panda is long gone and has been replaced with a run-of-the-mill Focus! I'd still promote driving around (using signals to reinforce my intended direction of travel) but that might be because my cars have no suspension biggrin

Chris

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Hmmm.

The van was indicating in good time.
The bus SHOULD have stopped.

It didnt, however no accident was caused as the Van wasnt quite on the roundabout.

While id think "knob" if that happened i wouldnt complain to a company about it. (Imho)


Riley Blue

20,907 posts

225 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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Vaud said:
surveyor_101 said:
Our driver is the camera car.

The coach driver in my mind should of seen the 3 cars indicating right from his right and waited its not a ago he could thread through the gap its a 54 seat luxury coach.

The van driver was a bit late but you don't expect the top gun of coaches not to plan for traffic from the right.
I know. I meant faults on both sides - van and coach.

I think you are worrying too much.
The coach driver couldn't see the camera vehicle, it was hidden by the van until the coach was already on the roundabout however, the worst driving there was the camera vehicle - that's the driver who needs a word in his ear.

rayny

1,142 posts

200 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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The van and the driver of the video vehicle both cut over the roundabout - If the van had slowed down enough to go around, rather than over, the roundabout then there would not have been an issue.

Rubin215

3,985 posts

155 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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surveyor_101 said:
Rubin215 said:
The coach is on the roundabout before the van enters.

What is the issue?
Were is the van coming from? The right, you don't give way to vehicles from the right unless they beat you onto the roundabout?
The van is not coming from the coach driver's right; he is not even on the roundabout when the coach driver enters.
There is no need to give way to vehicles approaching the roundabout (unless their speed/attitude tells you they have no intention of stopping, in which case common sense prevails)

A light coloured car turns right at the roundabout first, a dark coloured car immediately in front of the van follows the road ahead (towards the direction the coach is coming from), the van intends to turn right and is signalling to do so.
The coach enters the roundabout to follow his road ahead (the direction your driver is coming from) so is on the road around the roundabout before the van; the coach has right of way.

Of course, the closing seconds of the video show your driver going round the wrong side of the roundabout despite the mini-roundabout sign on approach and the direction arrows on the road surface.
I hope you had a quiet word about his standard of driving...

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

238 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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surveyor_101 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Plan to slow, prepare to go. He didn't...
You mean the van or the coach driver, they are both a bit quilty of that but dont expect school coach drivers to play fast and lose with kids.
Coach driver, he should have been able to stop.

rambo19

2,737 posts

136 months

Friday 8th July 2016
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TBH, I can't see what the fuss is about.