Seat Leon 154mph A11

[snorky782]

cmaguire said:

And if the road conditions are such then firstly the faster vehicle is unlikely to be going 70mph faster and in addition my observation would be increased to counter this anyway.
The A1 Peterborough demonstrates your scenario perfectly. The 4 lane section can easily accomodate speeds in excess of 150 mph, there is good visibility and the road is wide and relatively straight. North of Peterborough in both directions the A1 is dual carriageway and has some sections that, although mostly straight, undulate significantly creating blind spots. On this section nobody sensible is like to be doing 150+. I would in addition modify my observation accordingly on this section.
It's all about the driver, not the speed. Which is why we don't have no limits, because most drivers are a bit sh@t at it. That however does not make high speeds automatically dangerous.

You're picking one little piece of road that happens to be local to you. I live in an area with lots of motorways and few of those would accommodate much over 100 and even that can feel super fast. I've always been intrigued by those who insist on going at silly speeds in a straight line anyway. There's little to no skill doing that, other than holding the wheel firmly to counter the exaggerated impact of bumps.

Roads will never be derestricted anyway, there are too many people happy to drive at 60 / have a car that won't be capable of much over 80. Added to that are the 17 year old hormonal acne ridden teenagers in their Saxos and Corsas, all insisting on pushing their cars to meltdown were it to happen.

Back to the question asked, I think he'll get a lengthy ban and a top end fine amd should be thankful for whatever he gets, as to only be charged with speeding is a result in itself.

[cmaguire]

snorky782 said:

You're picking one little piece of road that happens to be local to you. I live in an area with lots of motorways and few of those would accommodate much over 100 and even that can feel super fast. I've always been intrigued by those who insist on going at silly speeds in a straight line anyway. There's little to no skill doing that, other than holding the wheel firmly to counter the exaggerated impact of bumps.

Roads will never be derestricted anyway, there are too many people happy to drive at 60 / have a car that won't be capable of much over 80. Added to that are the 17 year old hormonal acne ridden teenagers in their Saxos and Corsas, all insisting on pushing their cars to meltdown were it to happen.

Back to the question asked, I think he'll get a lengthy ban and a top end fine amd should be thankful for whatever he gets, as to only be charged with speeding is a result in itself.

I could pick plenty if you want, I have driven 25000+ miles nationwide per year for the last 20 years as a service engineer.
I guess we just feel differently about the perception of road speed. 70 to me just feels pedestrian on any straight road and as such why would I want to be going that slow? I get to site and get home quicker if I go faster.
My attitude to corners is no different to straights.

[Alucidnation]

cmaguire said:

........a service engineer......I get to site and get home quicker if I go faster.

So, white van man with the fk everyone else attitude.

[Pete317]

tapereel said:

Is driving at 154 mph expected of someone who is careful and competently? I think not. 154mph on a public road, 69 metres every second, is by any standard highly risky. If something came into vision that was to be avoided about 3 football pitches in front of the driver, then the vehicle would not even have begun to be slowed by the time the vehicle reached it. Is that dangerous? It's got to be hasn't it!

I wouldn't even be doing 70 in a situation where I could only see 300 metres ahead.

And, even in your irrelevant example, you can't get basic arithmetic right.

What is it you do for a living again?

[768]

I think the limit should be moved up to something more sensible and he should be given a free track day.

[snorky782]

cmaguire said:

I could pick plenty if you want, I have driven 25000+ miles nationwide per year for the last 20 years as a service engineer.
I guess we just feel differently about the perception of road speed. 70 to me just feels pedestrian on any straight road and as such why would I want to be going that slow? I get to site and get home quicker if I go faster.
My attitude to corners is no different to straights.

But you'd definitely be getting in my way in your van. It won't be able to accelerate, or corner or generally go as fast as me if things were derestricted completely. Who would be the liability when your van tops out at 110 amd I want to be doing 155?

On a separate(ish) note there's a few of us at Snetterton on 20 & 21 Aug in a bike trackday. Get yourself booked on, as flat in 6th is possible on the back straight, some cracking fast corners too.

[Esceptico]

snorky782 said:

But you'd definitely be getting in my way in your van. It won't be able to accelerate, or corner or generally go as fast as me if things were derestricted completely. Who would be the liability when your van tops out at 110 amd I want to be doing 155?

On a separate(ish) note there's a few of us at Snetterton on 20 & 21 Aug in a bike trackday. Get yourself booked on, as flat in 6th is possible on the back straight, some cracking fast corners too.

Is that trackday group organised via BB? I've thought about going back on track and Snetterton is nearest to me - but the friends that I used to go with have all given up.

[snorky782]

Esceptico said:

Is that trackday group organised via BB? I've thought about going back on track and Snetterton is nearest to me - but the friends that I used to go with have all given up.

It's a No Limits day, but there will be loads of BB there spread across the three groups. Go and ask on the trackday thread for more info. The more the merrier

[Tony1963]

cmaguire said:

I could pick plenty if you want, I have driven 25000+ miles nationwide per year for the last 20 years as a service engineer.
I guess we just feel differently about the perception of road speed. 70 to me just feels pedestrian on any straight road and as such why would I want to be going that slow? I get to site and get home quicker if I go faster.
My attitude to corners is no different to straights.

You sound like someone with a very poor attitude and I just hope you never work anywhere near me or anyone I know. You need educating, but probably by someone who is experienced with getting arrogant f-tards to realise how very wrong they are.

[anonymous-user]

chippy348 said:

snorky782 said:

I really struggle to see your argument. Where do you draw the line? The examples will become deliberately more ridiculous, but should challenge your thinking

It's Ok to speed everywhere up to 10mph over the limit as long as you don't hit anyone. Only after you hit them does it become a problem.

It's OK to speed everywhere excessively, as long as you don't hit anyone, only after you hit them does it become a problem.

It's OK to drink drive, as long as you don't hit anyone, only after you've hit them does it become a problem.

It's OK to run down the street waving a samurai sword (insert your own sharp object here) around, as long as you don't hit anyone. Only after you've hit them does it become a problem.

It's OK to fire a gun in a populated area, as long as you don't hit anyone, only after you've hit them does it become a problem.

I do see where you are coming from, but my point is this, it can be safe to do them speeds if you are sensible (just look at germany which is where i have done the speeds i was on about)this is not to say i condone racing on public roads that is a different matter but on a clear road in good conditions i see no problem with stretching your car's capabilities.

And as for hitting anyone you either have to lose control first OR the other car / person has done wrong.

When enough people take on too much risk it results in negative outcomes. The point of a lot of road traffic legislation is to prevent the outcomes through punishing risky behaviour to try to prevent the outcomes.

Naturally, though, when the outcomes do occur (like death) then they are still treated more seriously.

[bitchstewie]

cmaguire said:

I could pick plenty if you want, I have driven 25000+ miles nationwide per year for the last 20 years as a service engineer.
I guess we just feel differently about the perception of road speed. 70 to me just feels pedestrian on any straight road and as such why would I want to be going that slow? I get to site and get home quicker if I go faster.
My attitude to corners is no different to straights.

What's your experience of fast road driving?

[Alpinestars]

snorky782 said:

I've always been intrigued by those who insist on going at silly speeds in a straight line anyway. There's little to no skill doing that, other than holding the wheel firmly to counter the exaggerated impact of bumps.

Is the corollary of that, it's not that dangerous (subject to traffic)?

[snorky782]

Alpinestars said:

snorky782 said:

I've always been intrigued by those who insist on going at silly speeds in a straight line anyway. There's little to no skill doing that, other than holding the wheel firmly to counter the exaggerated impact of bumps.

Is the corollary of that, it's not that dangerous (subject to traffic)?

Nope. I said "skill" not "danger".

[Mezzanine]

I hope he checked the speed rating on his sidewalls before setting off.

[cmaguire]

Alucidnation said:

So, white van man with the fk everyone else attitude.

Er no, it's silver.

[cmaguire]

snorky782 said:

But you'd definitely be getting in my way in your van. It won't be able to accelerate, or corner or generally go as fast as me if things were derestricted completely. Who would be the liability when your van tops out at 110 amd I want to be doing 155?

On a separate(ish) note there's a few of us at Snetterton on 20 & 21 Aug in a bike trackday. Get yourself booked on, as flat in 6th is possible on the back straight, some cracking fast corners too.

I do spend a lot of time in the van, although thankfully it'll manage a GPS 132 on the limiter (pesky limiter 4000rpm in top). The car and bikes are somewhat quicker as you'd imagine. My noise issues with all the other vehicles look like currently putting a hold on any trackday ideas. I don't really want to trackday the van, although it would have some entertainment value.

[cmaguire]

Tony1963 said:

You sound like someone with a very poor attitude and I just hope you never work anywhere near me or anyone I know. You need educating, but probably by someone who is experienced with getting arrogant f-tards to realise how very wrong they are.

Maybe you need re-educating, you're unlikely to find me dishing out insults to those who hold different opinions to mine. The fact you struggle with speed isn't my problem.

[snorky782]

cmaguire said:

I do spend a lot of time in the van, although thankfully it'll manage a GPS 132 on the limiter (pesky limiter 4000rpm in top). The car and bikes are somewhat quicker as you'd imagine. My noise issues with all the other vehicles look like currently putting a hold on any trackday ideas. I don't really want to trackday the van, although it would have some entertainment value.

What van will hit 132? The Vito Sport X which is a mental beast of a van tops out at 124. It's a shame that you want to drive a van at 132, ride a motorbike pushing out a claimed 113dB, but can't get on a trackday with others on here to satisfy your need for speed.

[cmaguire]

bhstewie said:

What's your experience of fast road driving?

Realistically there is a lot of subjectivity to this as one person's fast is another person's slow, and for all you know I could be a bullshi@ter. Unless I'm relaxing, I tend to be in a different timezone to near enough everybody else I come across, although nowadays that isn't much of an achievement to be fair. Once you get near 120mph, barring short bursts, near enough everybody falls by the wayside. On all types of road.

[Glasgowrob]

snorky782 said:

What van will hit 132? The Vito Sport X which is a mental beast of a van tops out at 124. It's a shame that you want to drive a van at 132, ride a motorbike pushing out a claimed 113dB, but can't get on a trackday with others on here to satisfy your need for speed.

you can get a brabus tweaked Viano that will top out at 142 mph and hit 60 in 7.2