Summons - already accepted S59 at the roadside

Summons - already accepted S59 at the roadside

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HairyMaclary

3,649 posts

194 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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So OP. Did you miss the start of the rugby?

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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kiethton said:
No it was absolutely nothing more than that - beyond exceeding an arbitrary number i did nothing wrong
I'm reminded of a scene from Stir Crazy:

Big Mean: What's the charge?

Harry Monroe/Gene Wilder: Innocent.

Big Mean: Ain't we all?

techguyone

3,137 posts

141 months

Monday 18th July 2016
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Karma would be, the magistrate seeing the forum postings by the OP and acting accordingly, from everything I've read he's not sorry, he's trying to game the system to the extent of lying outright, trying pick n mix with the punishment, has already expressed that he just won't get caught next time not that he'll drive more appropriately, very likely to use another driving license elsewhere, again dishonest. In short, learnt nothing, gaming the system and likely to carry on as before, Magistrates love those kind of people.

OP the picture you're painting is that you're a tool and you're playing with fire, hope you don't get burnt.


kiethton

Original Poster:

13,883 posts

179 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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techguyone said:
Karma would be, the magistrate seeing the forum postings by the OP and acting accordingly, from everything I've read he's not sorry, he's trying to game the system to the extent of lying outright, trying pick n mix with the punishment, has already expressed that he just won't get caught next time not that he'll drive more appropriately, very likely to use another driving license elsewhere, again dishonest. In short, learnt nothing, gaming the system and likely to carry on as before, Magistrates love those kind of people.

OP the picture you're painting is that you're a tool and you're playing with fire, hope you don't get burnt.
I would never lie to the court, could do without a PCOJ charge. In life I always try to stay as far into the grey as possible without straying into the black, nowt wrong with that.

What I'm doing is perfectly legal, I know I can't decide the punishment but through carefully timing replies and shaping my statements I can attempt to influence the outcome, nothing wrong with that. They ask net earnings, if I can salary sacrifice to get to a lower number there is nothing wrong with that, they could always ask for a gross number, far harder to work. In itself salary sacrifice isn't ideal as i'll be tying up cash in my SIPP for ~30 years.

Nothing dishonest about driving abroad when permitted to do so, I wouldn't drive in the UK if banned here (outside of a life threatening emergency).


C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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kiethton said:
In life I always try to stay as far into the grey as possible without straying into the black, nowt wrong with that.
Even if it makes you sound like a complete tool?

KevinCamaroSS

11,555 posts

279 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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surveyor_101 said:
Think the OP was angling that he may have amended proofs for his income showing it lower.

In reality, don't they just trust you to be honest on the form?
Why would they, you are up on a criminal charge? Essentially it seems they do to a major extent.

kiethton

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13,883 posts

179 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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KevinCamaroSS said:
surveyor_101 said:
Think the OP was angling that he may have amended proofs for his income showing it lower.

In reality, don't they just trust you to be honest on the form?
Why would they, you are up on a criminal charge? Essentially it seems they do to a major extent.
Just to highlight that nothing would be amended - the number I disclose will accurately reflect my NET income for the month

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

178 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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kiethton said:
Just to highlight that nothing would be amended - the number I disclose will accurately reflect my NET income for the month
Up to you whether you want to try and play the system and purge yourself or not.

Comments like

"With some income planning to reduce my net salary for the declaration, well timed responses and an Alex Ferguson excuse I should hopefully be able to bring it out to my benefit."

"Can get to £200 net monthly" don't sound like your being 100% honest.

Probably best on the form not mentioning "can get to £x a week" reduced income that sort of thing doesn't sound great.

"Also what my speedo never read over 110" and. Wasn't driving like an idiot the copper has this all wrong.

Best be honest and eat humble pie in court.

Be a changed man if you want my advice, if any of the your post are anything to go by you will dig yourself a very deep hole.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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I think you should plead 'not guilty' and defend yourself, OP. If you can 'manage' the expenses form, then how hard can it be to defend yourself? It'll also delay the outcomes (which will be NG, obviously).

rb5er

11,657 posts

171 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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You would have thought nobody in here had ever driven at 100mph the way you lot are going on.

Its hardly like he was pushing it to the limit if he had a powerful car, its easy to get to 100mph with a light prod of the throttle for just a few seconds.

FiF

43,964 posts

250 months

Tuesday 19th July 2016
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La Liga said:
I think you should plead 'not guilty' and defend yourself, OP. If you can 'manage' the expenses form, then how hard can it be to defend yourself? It'll also delay the outcomes (which will be NG, obviously).
Is that in the style of that old Abraham Lincoln quote "He who represents himself etc"

Probably nail on head.

RWD cossie wil

4,295 posts

172 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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rb5er said:
You would have thought nobody in here had ever driven at 100mph the way you lot are going on.

Its hardly like he was pushing it to the limit if he had a powerful car, its easy to get to 100mph with a light prod of the throttle for just a few seconds.
It's almost like the gathering place for bitter, sad old men in here. I don't understand why 100 mph is seen as such a big deal? Ze Germans manage to drive around their motorway network quite happily at speeds well above that for long periods of time... I love driving over there, such a sensible approach to it, derestricted where safe, limited where there are junctions, people trusted to use their own judgement.

100mph in any decent semi modern car is perfectly safe, I'd far rather the authorities concentrated on idiots on their phones, or the tools that block the road network up driving at 40mph through NSLs, 50s & 60s, but carry on at 40mph through 30s!!

But that wouldn't make any money would it?

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

178 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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rb5er said:
You would have thought nobody in here had ever driven at 100mph the way you lot are going on.

Its hardly like he was pushing it to the limit if he had a powerful car, its easy to get to 100mph with a light prod of the throttle for just a few seconds.
Yes but OP doesnt accept that driving at 100 plus tailgating and bullying in the polices view is a problem.

I am saying don take your attitude on here into the court room or you will get a kicking, thats all. Not lambasting him for doing the speeds I have done. I just don't make out I am cleaner than a preachers sheets when I get caught.


Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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RWD cossie wil said:
I don't understand why 100 mph is seen as such a big deal?
It isn't- the big deal is the whining about how he should be above the law, the attempts to play the system, the refusal to face responsibility for his actions & the contradictory statements (eg "I'm not a habitual speeder but have done 103 in a 50 limit & regularly drive over 109mph abroad").

We all speed. Most of us accept that if we get caught we have to face the consequences.

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

178 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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RWD cossie wil said:
It's almost like the gathering place for bitter, sad old men in here. I don't understand why 100 mph is seen as such a big deal? Ze Germans manage to drive around their motorway network quite happily at speeds well above that for long periods of time... I love driving over there, such a sensible approach to it, derestricted where safe, limited where there are junctions, people trusted to use their own judgement.

100mph in any decent semi modern car is perfectly safe, I'd far rather the authorities concentrated on idiots on their phones, or the tools that block the road network up driving at 40mph through NSLs, 50s & 60s, but carry on at 40mph through 30s!!

But that wouldn't make any money would it?
Its not just their roads are built for it, they have stricter MOT test and don't run around on tyres less than 3mm generally speaking. They have helicopter ambulances all over their AutoB ready for any accidents. We dont have a good enough driving standards/air ambulances/lane discipline etc. Why do people always do that, you can do it germany ok.

The SW M5 is shut all the time because many people cant drive safely at 70 for gods sake!

I dont mind the speed, the allegations of bullying other drivers is concerning.

If you want to be a nob about it get on but have to accept that if you get caught going 100 plus you will get a court appearance and a fine/ban.

OP just says its not a good time for him. Tough titties.

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

178 months

Wednesday 20th July 2016
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Rovinghawk said:
It isn't- the big deal is the whining about how he should be above the law, the attempts to play the system, the refusal to face responsibility for his actions & the contradictory statements (eg "I'm not a habitual speeder but have done 103 in a 50 limit & regularly drive over 109mph abroad").

We all speed. Most of us accept that if we get caught we have to face the consequences.
Exactly, all a bit costly and inconvenient time wise, can they bend the rules just for him.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 21st July 2016
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surveyor_101 said:
RWD cossie wil said:
It's almost like the gathering place for bitter, sad old men in here. I don't understand why 100 mph is seen as such a big deal? Ze Germans manage to drive around their motorway network quite happily at speeds well above that for long periods of time... I love driving over there, such a sensible approach to it, derestricted where safe, limited where there are junctions, people trusted to use their own judgement.

100mph in any decent semi modern car is perfectly safe, I'd far rather the authorities concentrated on idiots on their phones, or the tools that block the road network up driving at 40mph through NSLs, 50s & 60s, but carry on at 40mph through 30s!!

But that wouldn't make any money would it?
Its not just their roads are built for it, they have stricter MOT test and don't run around on tyres less than 3mm generally speaking. They have helicopter ambulances all over their AutoB ready for any accidents. We dont have a good enough driving standards/air ambulances/lane discipline etc. Why do people always do that, you can do it germany ok.

The SW M5 is shut all the time because many people cant drive safely at 70 for gods sake!

I dont mind the speed, the allegations of bullying other drivers is concerning.

If you want to be a nob about it get on but have to accept that if you get caught going 100 plus you will get a court appearance and a fine/ban.

OP just says its not a good time for him. Tough titties.
Most people don't realise Germany has more death on the roads (including all the restricted de-restricted parts of the Autobahn), too.



mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Thursday 21st July 2016
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La Liga said:
surveyor_101 said:
RWD cossie wil said:
It's almost like the gathering place for bitter, sad old men in here. I don't understand why 100 mph is seen as such a big deal? Ze Germans manage to drive around their motorway network quite happily at speeds well above that for long periods of time... I love driving over there, such a sensible approach to it, derestricted where safe, limited where there are junctions, people trusted to use their own judgement.

100mph in any decent semi modern car is perfectly safe, I'd far rather the authorities concentrated on idiots on their phones, or the tools that block the road network up driving at 40mph through NSLs, 50s & 60s, but carry on at 40mph through 30s!!

But that wouldn't make any money would it?
Its not just their roads are built for it, they have stricter MOT test and don't run around on tyres less than 3mm generally speaking. They have helicopter ambulances all over their AutoB ready for any accidents. We dont have a good enough driving standards/air ambulances/lane discipline etc. Why do people always do that, you can do it germany ok.

The SW M5 is shut all the time because many people cant drive safely at 70 for gods sake!

I dont mind the speed, the allegations of bullying other drivers is concerning.

If you want to be a nob about it get on but have to accept that if you get caught going 100 plus you will get a court appearance and a fine/ban.

OP just says its not a good time for him. Tough titties.
Most people don't realise Germany has more death on the roads (including all the restricted de-restricted parts of the Autobahn), too.
and their use of HEMS reflects the differences in their model of emergency medical care - the Germans did not have identifiable 'emergency departments' for many years as everyone wasa booked admission whether that was fro mthe GP or from the Notarzt ( Emergency Doctor) ...

roofer

5,136 posts

210 months

Thursday 21st July 2016
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techguyone said:
Karma would be, the magistrate seeing the forum postings by the OP and acting accordingly, from everything I've read he's not sorry, he's trying to game the system to the extent of lying outright, trying pick n mix with the punishment, has already expressed that he just won't get caught next time not that he'll drive more appropriately, very likely to use another driving license elsewhere, again dishonest. In short, learnt nothing, gaming the system and likely to carry on as before, Magistrates love those kind of people.

OP the picture you're painting is that you're a tool and you're playing with fire, hope you don't get burnt.
Oh please ! Do fk off, and when you get there fk off some more, you absolute sanctimonious sack off st. And take your Mates with you. Arse with ears !

berlintaxi

8,535 posts

172 months

Thursday 21st July 2016
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roofer said:
Oh please ! Do fk off, and when you get there fk off some more, you absolute sanctimonious sack off st. And take your Mates with you. Arse with ears !
Time of the month?