Summons - already accepted S59 at the roadside
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Pretty much all of the cars I have owned have been capable of a bit more than licence losing speed s, and most have at one time or another been used at such. So I have no problem with people driving "sportingly".
However there is a time and a place for that and when other road user are around it's time to reign it in not try Bullying them out the way.
If the Police caught you at 100+ then they already knew it would be court and a Possible ban, so why would they need to make up the Bullying bit ?
However there is a time and a place for that and when other road user are around it's time to reign it in not try Bullying them out the way.
If the Police caught you at 100+ then they already knew it would be court and a Possible ban, so why would they need to make up the Bullying bit ?
berlintaxi said:
Time of the month?
Roofer ran a thread were he/she got 4 speeding offences FPN 12 points in 9 months.The. Took no responsibility for their actions and blamed it on on cash for speed cameras. Then came on here hoping for a cuddle some hand holding and a pat on the back. When told they needed to take a serious look at their driving getting that many tickets, they said not my fault cameras everywhere, it's about money and nothing else etc.
So anyone who doesn't go your poor thing is a s
tsurveyor_101 said:
berlintaxi said:
Time of the month?
Roofer ran a thread were he/she got 4 speeding offences FPN 12 points in 9 months.The. Took no responsibility for their actions and blamed it on on cash for speed cameras. Then came on here hoping for a cuddle some hand holding and a pat on the back. When told they needed to take a serious look at their driving getting that many tickets, they said not my fault cameras everywhere, it's about money and nothing else etc.
So anyone who doesn't go your poor thing is a s
tThere is one general theme to these threads. The OP never seems to hear what is being said, only what they want to hear.
This OP has said time and time again that it was completely not his fault, and the police are making it up... yet he was way over the speed limit, failed to see a police car, obviously was driving too close to others to make them pull over, ergo on a motorway with too many cars to even consider driving like this... and yet will glance over this and not for a second think he was in any way wrong.
Efbe said:
why am I not surprised.
There is one general theme to these threads. The OP never seems to hear what is being said, only what they want to hear.
This OP has said time and time again that it was completely not his fault, and the police are making it up... yet he was way over the speed limit, failed to see a police car, obviously was driving too close to others to make them pull over, ergo on a motorway with too many cars to even consider driving like this... and yet will glance over this and not for a second think he was in any way wrong.
Should the get mods to auto paste that after each 'I've been done at x in y' post. Would save a lot of posts and do wonders for people's blood pressure round here. There is one general theme to these threads. The OP never seems to hear what is being said, only what they want to hear.
This OP has said time and time again that it was completely not his fault, and the police are making it up... yet he was way over the speed limit, failed to see a police car, obviously was driving too close to others to make them pull over, ergo on a motorway with too many cars to even consider driving like this... and yet will glance over this and not for a second think he was in any way wrong.
Alternatively a couple of extra questions the OP should have to answer before they are allowed to post in spl.. "Are you a Freeman wibbler?" "Are you able to perceive alternative perspectives to the one that suits your narrative?".
Those answering incorrectly could then be posted in some kind of group hug self help forum.
It's a shame as between these and parking ticket posts, they distract attention from some very interesting and useful threads in here.
Efbe said:
why am I not surprised.
There is one general theme to these threads. The OP never seems to hear what is being said, only what they want to hear.
This OP has said time and time again that it was completely not his fault, and the police are making it up... yet he was way over the speed limit, failed to see a police car, obviously was driving too close to others to make them pull over, ergo on a motorway with too many cars to even consider driving like this... and yet will glance over this and not for a second think he was in any way wrong.
I've not said that it wasn't my fault, I accept I was speeding but in no way was "I bullying other cars out of the way" - the road was near empty and the one nugget that pulled out to L3 to over-take didn't check properly/pull back in a timely manner, by the time I'd actually got to a "bullying" distance the car was long back into L1/2.There is one general theme to these threads. The OP never seems to hear what is being said, only what they want to hear.
This OP has said time and time again that it was completely not his fault, and the police are making it up... yet he was way over the speed limit, failed to see a police car, obviously was driving too close to others to make them pull over, ergo on a motorway with too many cars to even consider driving like this... and yet will glance over this and not for a second think he was in any way wrong.
kiethton said:
the road was near empty
Except the cars that were in L1 & L2 causing the 'nugget' to move into L3. And the police car that you didn't see on the nearly empty road. Thinking about it, that motorway doesn't seem as empty as you suggest.kiethton said:
the one nugget that pulled out to L3 to over-take didn't check properly/pull back in a timely manner
Maybe he didn't expect someone to be approaching as fast as you did?kiethton said:
by the time I'd actually got to a "bullying" distance the car was long back into L1/2.
This contradicts your statement about not moving back in a timely manner.You seem to have been naughty. Learn from it & move on.
kiethton said:
I've not said that it wasn't my fault, I accept I was speeding but in no way was "I bullying other cars out of the way" - the road was near empty and the one nugget that pulled out to L3 to over-take didn't check properly/pull back in a timely manner, by the time I'd actually got to a "bullying" distance the car was long back into L1/2.
It's an opinion thing, you doing 110 at cars going 70/80/90 in lane 3, may not seem like bullying but charging up behind someone going much faster than then can be seem as such.surveyor_101 said:
kiethton said:
I've not said that it wasn't my fault, I accept I was speeding but in no way was "I bullying other cars out of the way" - the road was near empty and the one nugget that pulled out to L3 to over-take didn't check properly/pull back in a timely manner, by the time I'd actually got to a "bullying" distance the car was long back into L1/2.
It's an opinion thing, you doing 110 at cars going 70/80/90 in lane 3, may not seem like bullying but charging up behind someone going much faster than then can be seem as such.56 vs 70 = 14 mph sppeed differential is common on all our dual carriageways and motorways ( LGV limited speed vs car speed lmit)
so 85 against 70 and 90 against 70 +10%+2 is in the same realms ... but a 40 mph speed differnetial when someone is allready doing the NSL is very hard for it not to look like bullying
How much of a difference to any outcome is the "bullying" part of the police statement actually going to make??
It has been asked but not answered whether the summons is for 'just' speeding, or if there is another charge of careless etc?
If there is no careless charge, does speeding and "bullying" carry a greater penalty than 'just' speeding?
It has been asked but not answered whether the summons is for 'just' speeding, or if there is another charge of careless etc?
If there is no careless charge, does speeding and "bullying" carry a greater penalty than 'just' speeding?
Chester draws said:
How much of a difference to any outcome is the "bullying" part of the police statement actually going to make??
It has been asked but not answered whether the summons is for 'just' speeding, or if there is another charge of careless etc?
If there is no careless charge, does speeding and "bullying" carry a greater penalty than 'just' speeding?
Only speeding on the summons, hoping it makes no differenceIt has been asked but not answered whether the summons is for 'just' speeding, or if there is another charge of careless etc?
If there is no careless charge, does speeding and "bullying" carry a greater penalty than 'just' speeding?
Chester draws said:
How much of a difference to any outcome is the "bullying" part of the police statement actually going to make??
It has been asked but not answered whether the summons is for 'just' speeding, or if there is another charge of careless etc?
If there is no careless charge, does speeding and "bullying" carry a greater penalty than 'just' speeding?
The offence of speeding can be aggravated by various factors. The SGC includes the following as indicating higher culpability:It has been asked but not answered whether the summons is for 'just' speeding, or if there is another charge of careless etc?
If there is no careless charge, does speeding and "bullying" carry a greater penalty than 'just' speeding?
- evidence of unacceptable standard of driving over and above speed.
surveyor_101 said:
berlintaxi said:
Time of the month?
Roofer ran a thread were he/she got 4 speeding offences FPN 12 points in 9 months.The. Took no responsibility for their actions and blamed it on on cash for speed cameras. Then came on here hoping for a cuddle some hand holding and a pat on the back. When told they needed to take a serious look at their driving getting that many tickets, they said not my fault cameras everywhere, it's about money and nothing else etc.
So anyone who doesn't go your poor thing is a s
tA lot of people have an opinion behind a keyboard, but not an ounce of balls in the real world. That's why the frequent this particular forum, makes them feel proper ard berating a fella thats grafting his b
ks off and looking for a clue. Well done, have a biscuit, motoring enthusiasts ? 'Guffaw' Ex school prefects who failed in life. Cue posts of look at where I am, blah blah. Nobodies worth the square root of fkall. OP's held his tongue on this thread , full marks to him . The beraters ? Go hang your heads in shame. You're not an enthusiast, you're just an Internet gangster, it's the only bottle you'll ever have.agtlaw said:
Chester draws said:
How much of a difference to any outcome is the "bullying" part of the police statement actually going to make??
It has been asked but not answered whether the summons is for 'just' speeding, or if there is another charge of careless etc?
If there is no careless charge, does speeding and "bullying" carry a greater penalty than 'just' speeding?
The offence of speeding can be aggravated by various factors. The SGC includes the following as indicating higher culpability:It has been asked but not answered whether the summons is for 'just' speeding, or if there is another charge of careless etc?
If there is no careless charge, does speeding and "bullying" carry a greater penalty than 'just' speeding?
- evidence of unacceptable standard of driving over and above speed.
If we presume speeding at 105 on motorway to send you to the top end of the range of penalties(?), does speeding and "an aggravated factor" carry a massively greater penalty?
In other words, if OP is accepting of the 105mph speeding, is there any real point in arguing over the "bullying"?
kiethton said:
I've not said that it wasn't my fault, I accept I was speeding but in no way was "I bullying other cars out of the way" - the road was near empty and the one nugget that pulled out to L3 to over-take didn't check properly/pull back in a timely manner, by the time I'd actually got to a "bullying" distance the car was long back into L1/2.
Now this thread makes more sense.- You were doing 95 and a nugget pulled out in front of you.
- You decided when he should pull back in, but he didn't do it in a timely manner.
- Rather than press your CC resume button, you accelerated at him and past him (up to 109) to encourage him to pull in in a timely manner next time.
If the road really were empty and dry, and you had encountered another car but had kept a good distance and waited, and then gradually accelerated again after he had completed his manoeuvre (ie showing consideration and courtesy), there is a small chance you may have got away with a stiff b
king, or a "we'll call it 99 mph". Your issue is that you think your driving is fine and other people are "nuggets". It's not - and it's not the arbitrary speed limit I'm referring to.apotts said:
Now this thread makes more sense.
If the road really were empty and dry, and you had encountered another car but had kept a good distance and waited, and then gradually accelerated again after he had completed his manoeuvre (ie showing consideration and courtesy), there is a small chance you may have got away with a stiff bking, or a "we'll call it 99 mph". Your issue is that you think your driving is fine and other people are "nuggets". It's not - and it's not the arbitrary speed limit I'm referring to.
This.- You were doing 95 and a nugget pulled out in front of you.
- You decided when he should pull back in, but he didn't do it in a timely manner.
- Rather than press your CC resume button, you accelerated at him and past him (up to 109) to encourage him to pull in in a timely manner next time.
If the road really were empty and dry, and you had encountered another car but had kept a good distance and waited, and then gradually accelerated again after he had completed his manoeuvre (ie showing consideration and courtesy), there is a small chance you may have got away with a stiff b
king, or a "we'll call it 99 mph". Your issue is that you think your driving is fine and other people are "nuggets". It's not - and it's not the arbitrary speed limit I'm referring to.I got done in a renault 5 van back in 1987. I was going downhill near Orpington on M25, at sun-up in July. Speedo reading well into 3 figures. I didn't see the 2 bike cops who just entered the motorway behind me until too late. I pulled over to hard shoulder, was super polite & said 'its a fair cop'. Got done for '90 mph': 3 points + £30. Traffic of course was much lighter back in the day...
I have a feeling the alleged 'bullying' maybe the issue here
roofer said:
Actually, the request was for previous experience from anyone. I don't need or expect sympathy from the tank top wearing arsewipes that profligate this forum.
A lot of people have an opinion behind a keyboard, but not an ounce of balls in the real world. That's why the frequent this particular forum, makes them feel proper ard berating a fella thats grafting his bks off and looking for a clue. Well done, have a biscuit, motoring enthusiasts ? 'Guffaw' Ex school prefects who failed in life. Cue posts of look at where I am, blah blah. Nobodies worth the square root of fkall. OP's held his tongue on this thread , full marks to him . The beraters ? Go hang your heads in shame. You're not an enthusiast, you're just an Internet gangster, it's the only bottle you'll ever have.
It's possible to graft your bA lot of people have an opinion behind a keyboard, but not an ounce of balls in the real world. That's why the frequent this particular forum, makes them feel proper ard berating a fella thats grafting his b
ks off and looking for a clue. Well done, have a biscuit, motoring enthusiasts ? 'Guffaw' Ex school prefects who failed in life. Cue posts of look at where I am, blah blah. Nobodies worth the square root of fkall. OP's held his tongue on this thread , full marks to him . The beraters ? Go hang your heads in shame. You're not an enthusiast, you're just an Internet gangster, it's the only bottle you'll ever have.ks off without getting stopped by Police, or driving like a tit.It's possible to be a motoring enthusiast without getting stopped by Police, or driving like a tit.
It's not possible to judge the size of somebody's balls from behind a keyboard.
(Unless there's a webcam involved......
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