Summons - already accepted S59 at the roadside

[kiethton]

ruggedscotty said:

£35k a year? not to shabby a salary.....

ive read this with interest and glad to see you managed to escape a ban. hope that its now sorted and in the past but you have also learned a lot from the experience.

1. you were caught bang to rights....

2. over a ton on that section of road ? not wise. it was mentioned earlier that it has a high number of waggons plus its just had a merge from the M23 and some folks come up and swing out to lane 3 without checking mirrors. ive been along that part of the road many many times over the years and its quite an unpredictable stretch.

3. your quote => Please for those saying that conditions weren't great they were; there was little traffic there were 3/4 lanes to use, was driving an impeccably maintained (MOT & full service the week before coupled with new tyres) ~300bhp exec car well within both my own and the car's limits. To say it was dangerous on speed alone is false. I would reply - while your car is impeccably maintained you cant allow for upredicatable mechanical failure st happens, debris on the road ? One of the most impeccably maintained machines fell foul of that - it was called concord and it run over a piece of debris on the runway, and we all know what happened there. You may have the best car on the road and be a superb driver with full faculties and a blinding fast reaction time, however you are not going to be able to deal with all eventualities that occur. A waggon in front of you sheds a tire and jacknifes, someone does something totally unexpected on the road. your reaction times are limited by the distance you are covering. 110mph would mean that you are covering around 50 meters every second.

4. everyone around you is expecting that you will be going around 70, tipping up at over a ton could suprise quite a few.....

5. please - learn from your experience take a step back and think about it.

6. hope that you have many more trouble free miles and that plod doesnt trouble you to much.

Edited by ruggedscotty on Saturday 24th September 11:31

A fair chunk more than that so the fine wasn't too bad considerig, a £1500 pension contribution last month lowered the net number thankfully

Needless to say beyond informing the insurance co's when they renew in June/September next year nothing more will become of it. The S59 only has a few more months left and all

[julian64]

Red Devil said:

julian64 said:

fast lane

Oh dear. Sufficient grounds for PH membership to be revoked...

You're a tree hugging imbecile. The lanes on the motorway are slow middle and fast.

I suggest you get used to it as that is what they have been called since the day I was born.

The tree hugging approach of calling them 1 2 and 3 so as not to encourage fast driving is drivel, nanny state rubbish thinking.

Its why people are called 'middle lane morons', or do you call them 2 morons?

Moreover middle lane morons probably wouldn't exist if you made it clear from an early age what the three lanes are for rather than using your blue sky thinking approach.

PH membership indeed. What a crock.

[KevinCamaroSS]

julian64 said:

You're a tree hugging imbecile. The lanes on the motorway are slow middle and fast.

I suggest you get used to it as that is what they have been called since the day I was born.

Just because you call them that does not make it correct. If you do not want to call it Lanes 1, 2 & 3 then call them:

1) The driving lane
2) The overtaking lane
3) The second overtaking lane

Calling them slow, middle and fast is what perpetuates middle lane moronity.

[julian64]

KevinCamaroSS said:

julian64 said:

You're a tree hugging imbecile. The lanes on the motorway are slow middle and fast.

I suggest you get used to it as that is what they have been called since the day I was born.

Just because you call them that does not make it correct. If you do not want to call it Lanes 1, 2 & 3 then call them:

1) The driving lane
2) The overtaking lane
3) The second overtaking lane

Calling them slow, middle and fast is what perpetuates middle lane moronity.

I think you going to have to accept I reject your 'correct' statement as drivel for the same reasons already stated.

[essayer]

What about the 4th lane on a four lane motorway?

[Reg Local]

essayer said:

What about the 4th lane on a four lane motorway?

That's the hyper lane.

There is a fifth lane, but it's so fast you can't see it.

Lane 6 takes you back in time.

[FiF]

Or on the M25 clockwise takes you into the future, anti-clock goes back, go fast enough and you end up in an E93A Ford Pop.

[julian64]

Well yes you could call them anything you like but its an irrelevance.

I'm only in my fifties but I feel I'm talking to a bunch of people In their teens.

The naming system since I was a child was slow middle and fast. There were no four or five lane motorways at that time. When they were introduced, any lane to the right of a fast lane was also called a fast lane. Seems pretty logical and descriptive to me.

If you lot want to rename everything in terms of number them go ahead. But at least the original system gave you some idea of what you were meant to be doing in each lane, and I'm not changing.

I won't be adopting some politically correct number system because you lot say its trendy. As for handing in my PH card. I think that as PH dwindles into a glorified mumsnet there is more PH in me that all of you put together.

[berlintaxi]

And flounce.

[Reg Local]

They've never been renamed - since the Bamber Bridge by-pass section of the M6 opened in 1958, the lanes have been designated 1,2 and 3.

For more info on motorways, try my old posts here:

Slow part

Middle Part

Fast Part

Anyway, this thread is wandering off topic - OP, you coming for some driver training now?

[Cat]

julian64 said:

But at least the original system gave you some idea of what you were meant to be doing in each lane, and I'm not changing.

Really? Applying that logic the thought process of many will be:

"I don't drive 'slow' on the motorway and I'd never drive 'fast' so I need to stay in the 'middle' lane.

Cat

[kiethton]

Reg Local said:

Anyway, this thread is wandering off topic - OP, you coming for some driver training now?

Yes, just had my right hand out of plaster so need to let it recover but would still be interested - you're based up north?

[Reg Local]

kiethton said:

Yes, just had my right hand out of plaster so need to let it recover but would still be interested - you're based up north?

Yes. Click through my username to my website & drop me an email.

[oilspill]

ruggedscotty said:

£35k a year? not to shabby a salary.....

ive read this with interest and glad to see you managed to escape a ban. hope that its now sorted and in the past but you have also learned a lot from the experience.

1. you were caught bang to rights....

2. over a ton on that section of road ? not wise. it was mentioned earlier that it has a high number of waggons plus its just had a merge from the M23 and some folks come up and swing out to lane 3 without checking mirrors. ive been along that part of the road many many times over the years and its quite an unpredictable stretch.

3. your quote => Please for those saying that conditions weren't great they were; there was little traffic there were 3/4 lanes to use, was driving an impeccably maintained (MOT & full service the week before coupled with new tyres) ~300bhp exec car well within both my own and the car's limits. To say it was dangerous on speed alone is false. I would reply - while your car is impeccably maintained you cant allow for upredicatable mechanical failure st happens, debris on the road ? One of the most impeccably maintained machines fell foul of that - it was called concord and it run over a piece of debris on the runway, and we all know what happened there. You may have the best car on the road and be a superb driver with full faculties and a blinding fast reaction time, however you are not going to be able to deal with all eventualities that occur. A waggon in front of you sheds a tire and jacknifes, someone does something totally unexpected on the road. your reaction times are limited by the distance you are covering. 110mph would mean that you are covering around 50 meters every second.

4. everyone around you is expecting that you will be going around 70, tipping up at over a ton could suprise quite a few.....

5. please - learn from your experience take a step back and think about it.

6. hope that you have many more trouble free miles and that plod doesnt trouble you to much.

Shouldn't have wasted your time, there's a strong wiff of Narcissist in the OP. They don't like rules, cant admit they're wrong and after creating a drama always turn the situation into a win/let off with a few lies.
Hard lessons still to be learnt IMO

[Some Gump]

julian64 said:

You're a tree hugging imbecile. The lanes on the motorway are slow middle and fast.

I suggest you get used to it as that is what they have been called since the day I was born.

The tree hugging approach of calling them 1 2 and 3 so as not to encourage fast driving is drivel, nanny state rubbish thinking.

Its why people are called 'middle lane morons', or do you call them 2 morons?

Moreover middle lane morons probably wouldn't exist if you made it clear from an early age what the three lanes are for rather than using your blue sky thinking approach.

PH membership indeed. What a crock.

You're a belm.
the correct lane to be in is the leftmost unoccupied one. Speed is irrelevent. One can still refer to "middle lane morons" because they're in the middle lane (out of left, middle, right), if it was based on speed it'd be medium, not middle. A huge amount of MLM thinking stems from the daft concept that the "slow" lane is for trucks, and the "fast" lane is for crazy people.
The naming 1, 2, 3 has been in place for years, and is used to try to avoid MLM driving. It's nothing to do with PC, the colour of the sky, or any other "nanny state" accusation you choose to throw at it.

[oilspill]

RWD cossie wil said:

It's almost like the gathering place for bitter, sad old men in here. I don't understand why 100 mph is seen as such a big deal? Ze Germans manage to drive around their motorway network quite happily at speeds well above that for long periods of time... I love driving over there, such a sensible approach to it, derestricted where safe, limited where there are junctions, people trusted to use their own judgement.

100mph in any decent semi modern car is perfectly safe, I'd far rather the authorities concentrated on idiots on their phones, or the tools that block the road network up driving at 40mph through NSLs, 50s & 60s, but carry on at 40mph through 30s!!

But that wouldn't make any money would it?

The reason Police target the higher speeders is actually to save money.
Human organs can expire when impacted at high velocity. This is the logic behind their speed kills campaigns, which many here take the wrong way. eg your '100MPH is perfectly safe quote' and the excuses the OP has been rolling out, yeah and so is 200 and 300mph perfectly safe, we do indeed keep breathing.

Each fatality is around a million pounds cost to the authorities. Each road death is a hell of a dent in any money they make from 'scams' and their diminishing resources.
If your 40MPH in NSLs start suddenly producing dead bodies, they'll be onto it like a shot. As they are with fatalities from texting increasing.
It's all about the money, but not how you imagined.

I drive a lot in Germany too and the reason speed works better there, as it does in general on the continent, is because theres not such a wide variety of vehicle speeds. It seems to me they match their speeds quite well according to lanes and most people make good pace. This is apparent as soon as you arrive back in the UK M20-M25 and everyone is all over the place and driving at 55 different speeds. Erracticness is also know to contribute to congestion.

Our Rugby playing friend is obviously perfect and no danger to anyone at high speed. The danger comes fro, the erractic driving of others; unexpected situations and freak occurrences, which at those speeds lead to death and a massive hit on financial resources.

Edited by oilspill on Monday 26th September 11:59

[julian64]

oilspill said:

Shouldn't have wasted your time, there's a strong wiff of Narcissist in the OP. They don't like rules, cant admit they're wrong and after creating a drama always turn the situation into a win/let off with a few lies.
Hard lessons still to be learnt IMO

Disagree. The op is entirely consistent. He doesn't believe he has done anything wrong and therefore doesn't feel he should be punished. Therefore any mitigation of the punishment is fair game.

Its only what a lawyer would be trying to achieve.

I think you are confusing the op with someone who is genuinely repentant.

I have a fair degree of sympathy for the op, but it depends on the degree to which the police, or he are embellishing the incident. Something of which neither you or I know.

[oilspill]

julian64 said:

Disagree. The op is entirely consistent. He doesn't believe he has done anything wrong and therefore doesn't feel he should be punished. Therefore any mitigation of the punishment is fair game.

Its only what a lawyer would be trying to achieve.

I think you are confusing the op with someone who is genuinely repentant.

I have a fair degree of sympathy for the op, but it depends on the degree to which the police, or he are embellishing the incident. Something of which neither you or I know.

but he's also under the impression high speed wont kill him

[Red Devil]

julian64 said:

Red Devil said:

julian64 said:

fast lane

Oh dear. Sufficient grounds for PH membership to be revoked...

You're a tree hugging imbecile. The lanes on the motorway are slow middle and fast.

I suggest you get used to it as that is what they have been called since the day I was born.

The tree hugging approach of calling them 1 2 and 3 so as not to encourage fast driving is drivel, nanny state rubbish thinking.

Its why people are called 'middle lane morons', or do you call them 2 morons?

Moreover middle lane morons probably wouldn't exist if you made it clear from an early age what the three lanes are for rather than using your blue sky thinking approach.

PH membership indeed. What a crock.

Are you always this charming?

When people to stoop to personal insults it'a sure sign that they have nothing to bring to the table.
Btw, I think you missed the at the end of my post or maybe you have had a sense of humour bypass.
I like trees. They make a significant contribution to the UK landscape but my appreciation doesn't go as far as hugging them.

Have a nice day.

julian64 said:

Well yes you could call them anything you like but its an irrelevance.

I'm only in my fifties but I feel I'm talking to a bunch of people In their teens.

Teens eh? I passed my test and was driving up and down the M1 when you were probably still wearing nappies.

[KevinCamaroSS]

julian64 said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

julian64 said:

You're a tree hugging imbecile. The lanes on the motorway are slow middle and fast.

I suggest you get used to it as that is what they have been called since the day I was born.

Just because you call them that does not make it correct. If you do not want to call it Lanes 1, 2 & 3 then call them:

1) The driving lane
2) The overtaking lane
3) The second overtaking lane

Calling them slow, middle and fast is what perpetuates middle lane moronity.

I think you going to have to accept I reject your 'correct' statement as drivel for the same reasons already stated.

Call it whatever you want, still does not alter the facts.