Summons - already accepted S59 at the roadside
Discussion
julian64 said:
I won't be adopting some politically correct number system because you lot say its trendy. As for handing in my PH card. I think that as PH dwindles into a glorified mumsnet there is more PH in me that all of you put together.
What is it about PH that attracts 50-something attention-seekers and tantrum-throwers??ruggedscotty said:
2. over a ton on that section of road ? not wise. it was mentioned earlier that it has a high number of waggons plus its just had a merge from the M23 and some folks come up and swing out to lane 3 without checking mirrors. ive been along that part of the road many many times over the years and its quite an unpredictable stretch.
What would be an appropriate speed to avoid any chance of an unhappy interaction with someone who "... comes up and swings out to lane 3 without checking mirrors"?As said over the ton or 70 is a huge difference and it could make the difference, its like those folks that say they can drink and then get behind the wheel - yeah not over the limit but still alcohol in the system - they go out and someone steps out in front of them, they hit them and they are killed, yes its the pedestrians fault for stepping out but if the driver had been drink free they might just have had the quicker reaction time to take avoiding action.
like wise you are stomping up at over the ton it leaves less reaction time to respond to something happening. yes you wont be able to eradicate every accident but you know driving within the law and to the conditions makes a difference.
like wise you are stomping up at over the ton it leaves less reaction time to respond to something happening. yes you wont be able to eradicate every accident but you know driving within the law and to the conditions makes a difference.
speedking31 said:
ruggedscotty said:
2. over a ton on that section of road ? not wise. it was mentioned earlier that it has a high number of waggons plus its just had a merge from the M23 and some folks come up and swing out to lane 3 without checking mirrors. ive been along that part of the road many many times over the years and its quite an unpredictable stretch.
What would be an appropriate speed to avoid any chance of an unhappy interaction with someone who "... comes up and swings out to lane 3 without checking mirrors"?C70R said:
What is it about PH that attracts 50-something attention-seekers and tantrum-throwers??
a forum based around a culture that often seeks attention/recognition/admiration on its choice of motor vehicle (based in a country notorious for car snobbery and one-upmanship)yeah, far superior to mumsnet
C70R said:
julian64 said:
I won't be adopting some politically correct number system because you lot say its trendy. As for handing in my PH card. I think that as PH dwindles into a glorified mumsnet there is more PH in me that all of you put together.
What is it about PH that attracts 50-something attention-seekers and tantrum-throwers??I simply see myself on a thread where everyone wants to thrown stones at a chap who asked a sensible question and was very honest. I tried to post a sensible reply and immediately the posts range from the simple put downs, holier than thou posts about speeding, or nit picking about grammar or road naming. None of which was in the spirit of the ops thread.
The good news is then you posted to bring balance to the thread by calling me out.
Ending the petty arguments, the fine is now all paid, the S59 has a couple more months to run and the points have a little over 2 years before they become inconsequential.
A fair result all round (the surcharges adding near 40% to the fine less so but that's another story...)
The credit card has another 1% sitting on it and life carries on, insurers will be informed at renewal and a brief comparison check looks like it'll add ~£50 to the annual cost, not a disaster.
On reflection I may look to move the E39 on come the spring (also partially driven by Sadiq's plans but that's another story) and move myself into something a whole lot less insulated - Griff 500/Exige/caterfield which should lower the natural cruising speed.
Reg thanks again - you should have an e-mail shortly
A fair result all round (the surcharges adding near 40% to the fine less so but that's another story...)
The credit card has another 1% sitting on it and life carries on, insurers will be informed at renewal and a brief comparison check looks like it'll add ~£50 to the annual cost, not a disaster.
On reflection I may look to move the E39 on come the spring (also partially driven by Sadiq's plans but that's another story) and move myself into something a whole lot less insulated - Griff 500/Exige/caterfield which should lower the natural cruising speed.
Reg thanks again - you should have an e-mail shortly
Natural cruising speed - some cars sit comfortably at different speeds to others
S59 - if I do anything bad they collect the car and I have to pay £200 to collect it - needless to say if they tried it (and if not done anything/they didn't have enough to charge with) they'd be sued for the cost back
S59 - if I do anything bad they collect the car and I have to pay £200 to collect it - needless to say if they tried it (and if not done anything/they didn't have enough to charge with) they'd be sued for the cost back
kiethton said:
Natural cruising speed - some cars sit comfortably at different speeds to others
yes, if you put it in first and don't press any pedals you will get a speed the car is quite comfortable at.natural cruising speed in this context is complete BS. Just press the accelerator less, or set the cruise control lower. It is never an excuse to "need" to go over the speed limit.
Actually there is not such a thing as a car's natural cruising speed. It is totally dependent on external factors and is actually what the driver is comfortable at.
External factors include:
Road engineering
Traffic levels
Weather
Time of day
Legal Restrictions
Other hazards
My own situation.
On a 60 mph road both my cars can be comfortable at 60 mph (dependent on the other factors). One is a 6.2 V8 petrol, the other 2.0 diesel. On a derestricted autobahn in Germany the comfortable speed would likely be different for each car in the same conditions.
External factors include:
Road engineering
Traffic levels
Weather
Time of day
Legal Restrictions
Other hazards
My own situation.
On a 60 mph road both my cars can be comfortable at 60 mph (dependent on the other factors). One is a 6.2 V8 petrol, the other 2.0 diesel. On a derestricted autobahn in Germany the comfortable speed would likely be different for each car in the same conditions.
So as a final follow up I took a trip ooop north to see John (Reg Local) earlier this month.
Would heartily recommend it, a ~30 minute initial drive followed by a longer run out into the dales has really helped with the little things.
The main benefit was being able to read unfamiliar roads better, where before I was a little cautious unless I knew the road, this tuition has really helped me read the corners, helping maintain a far better, smoother speed.
Some pointers around ingrained bad habits/laziness and knowing some of the acceptable tolerances - my previous 78mph motorway 3 points being the exception - to try and prevent a recurrence of the above situation!
There were also a few other benefits, as a result my average MPG has increased a fair chunk which always helps (18 to 25) so all's well there too!
Generally I agree 100% with john's guidance, only issues being that sometimes, especially where I'm based (SE London/Kent) some of the processes aren't practicable in the real world:
Setting yourself in an O/S position before overtaking around here would result in the overtakee swerving to block you, or pinning the throttle to prevent it half the time, that and the available gaps are often a little tighter given higher traffic densities.
Whilst generally agree with observing speed limits in 20/30/40 zones some of the new initiatives (I'm looking at you Lewisham Council) that have seen open roads reduced down to 20mph for no apparent reason impractical to follow, I join the others and pass ala milkfloat where safe to do so - something I'd not do in a standard 30mph limit that was being observed. Whilst I realise that there is a risk if caught the levels of enforcement would need to shift significantly to modify the behaviour of myself and 90% of road users who proceed as normal.
The last is a personal criticism, when concentrating I'd like to think that I'm perfectly fine, my main problem comes when I'm driving with unconscious competency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_competence) which I'm ashamed to admit is a good 80% of the time due to either distraction or fatigue - working hours don't help here. I think that modifying my subconscious to monitor the speed more proactively rather than driving to the conditions without checking it will be a thing to work on going forward.
Nonethless the afternoon was brilliant and I'd highly recommend it, applying a number of the principals to the motorbike will also be invaluable. I've already mentally checked into booking another session of driver training (and a road trip at the same time!) when it comes to upgrading the car to something with more performance if funds ever allow.
Thanks again John
Would heartily recommend it, a ~30 minute initial drive followed by a longer run out into the dales has really helped with the little things.
The main benefit was being able to read unfamiliar roads better, where before I was a little cautious unless I knew the road, this tuition has really helped me read the corners, helping maintain a far better, smoother speed.
Some pointers around ingrained bad habits/laziness and knowing some of the acceptable tolerances - my previous 78mph motorway 3 points being the exception - to try and prevent a recurrence of the above situation!
There were also a few other benefits, as a result my average MPG has increased a fair chunk which always helps (18 to 25) so all's well there too!
Generally I agree 100% with john's guidance, only issues being that sometimes, especially where I'm based (SE London/Kent) some of the processes aren't practicable in the real world:
Setting yourself in an O/S position before overtaking around here would result in the overtakee swerving to block you, or pinning the throttle to prevent it half the time, that and the available gaps are often a little tighter given higher traffic densities.
Whilst generally agree with observing speed limits in 20/30/40 zones some of the new initiatives (I'm looking at you Lewisham Council) that have seen open roads reduced down to 20mph for no apparent reason impractical to follow, I join the others and pass ala milkfloat where safe to do so - something I'd not do in a standard 30mph limit that was being observed. Whilst I realise that there is a risk if caught the levels of enforcement would need to shift significantly to modify the behaviour of myself and 90% of road users who proceed as normal.
The last is a personal criticism, when concentrating I'd like to think that I'm perfectly fine, my main problem comes when I'm driving with unconscious competency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_competence) which I'm ashamed to admit is a good 80% of the time due to either distraction or fatigue - working hours don't help here. I think that modifying my subconscious to monitor the speed more proactively rather than driving to the conditions without checking it will be a thing to work on going forward.
Nonethless the afternoon was brilliant and I'd highly recommend it, applying a number of the principals to the motorbike will also be invaluable. I've already mentally checked into booking another session of driver training (and a road trip at the same time!) when it comes to upgrading the car to something with more performance if funds ever allow.
Thanks again John
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