Summons - already accepted S59 at the roadside

Summons - already accepted S59 at the roadside

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Efbe

9,251 posts

165 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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kiethton said:
I was hardly driving like an idiot, was cruising on a near empty motorway with the cruise at 95, only thing is after turning it off I put my foot down instead of hitting the switch. Nothing at all dangerous in a well sighted, clear, dry motorway in a car more than capable of the job. No I don't believe in speed limits but accept they exist. Nothing I did was dangerous else it wouldn't be a simple speeding summons would it?

I don't mind a short ban, it's just trying to time it so it works out beneficially as possible re. Existing commitments and in the most cost effective manner.
yet you failed to notice the police car?

really well sighted and empty motorway there!

kiethton

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13,883 posts

179 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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mph1977 said:
I didn't realise the schools had broken up all ready ...

OP you sound a complete tool and i suspect that you probably don;t know / understand what you don;t know with regard to why your behaviour and attitude has landed you in the position you are in .
Not quite, at work now....

I appreciate that I've been caught and accept that, the intention is to not be caught again.

No harm in trying to make the best of a pretty st situation, admittedly of my own doing. If I can act in a way now to minimise the impact of the ban/fine I see no wrong in doing so. This is the first and hopefully last time I'll be sent to court.

With some income planning to reduce my net salary for the declaration, well timed responses and an Alex Ferguson excuse I should hopefully be able to bring it out to my benefit.

Efbe said:
kiethton said:
I was hardly driving like an idiot, was cruising on a near empty motorway with the cruise at 95, only thing is after turning it off I put my foot down instead of hitting the switch. Nothing at all dangerous in a well sighted, clear, dry motorway in a car more than capable of the job. No I don't believe in speed limits but accept they exist. Nothing I did was dangerous else it wouldn't be a simple speeding summons would it?

I don't mind a short ban, it's just trying to time it so it works out beneficially as possible re. Existing commitments and in the most cost effective manner.
yet you failed to notice the police car?

really well sighted and empty motorway there!
M25 J9-J7 so pretty good - early afternoon/lunchtime so no traffic really.

Unmarked Silver Audi, not the easiest to spot now-erdays



kiethton

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13,883 posts

179 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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Rovinghawk said:
kiethton said:
With some income planning to reduce my net salary for the declaration, well timed responses and an Alex Ferguson excuse I should hopefully be able to bring it out to my benefit.
weaselling out- it's what separates man from the animals. Except weasels, obviously.

kiethton said:
Unmarked Silver Audi, not the easiest to spot now-erdays
In my dictionary sympathy is between st & syphilis. wink
Not asking for sympathy just assistance in how to minimise the impact of the action and fine, surely you'd do the same?

If there is a legal way to more than halve the fine and minimise the impact of the penalty you'd take it?

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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If they catch you trying to play the system they might not be best impressed.

mp3manager

4,254 posts

195 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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Rovinghawk said:
If they catch you trying to play the system they might not be best impressed.
I don't think the OP gives a toss.

MTFU and take your punishment.

kiethton

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13,883 posts

179 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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Rovinghawk said:
If they catch you trying to play the system they might not be best impressed.
Indeed, but the intention is to not do that, playing in the letter of the law - if they wanted to avoid any ambiguity they can request a more specific measure, gross pay for example. As they've asked for net I can give them evidence of an actual net value, backed up with a payslip should they require it.

Have decided to take the form from the old address as I can collect it, but delay submitting until the end of the 28 day period alongside a full letter to try and mitigate the outcome (planning to plead guilty by post).

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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Doing 109 on the m25...between 7-9 which is a notorious accident blackspot.

Stop crawling like a wker to get out of it, make a step change and drive slower.

I suspect you'll be getting banned anyway which hopefully be the wakeup call you need.

I'm certainly not a saint and never will be but high 90s and ton on the M25 has always felt wrong.

kiethton

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13,883 posts

179 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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RemyMartin said:
Doing 109 on the m25...between 7-9 which is a notorious accident blackspot.

Stop crawling like a wker to get out of it, make a step change and drive slower.

I suspect you'll be getting banned anyway which hopefully be the wakeup call you need.

I'm certainly not a saint and never will be but high 90s and ton on the M25 has always felt wrong.
I'm not a habitual speeder, this is somewhat of a one-off, even the GF drives faster. I've only once been done here for speeding - 78pmh on the motorway in '09/'10 so hardly prolific.

That section is perfectly good for the speed, especially when the road is empty and weather conditions are good. The car is also more than capable and was built to sit at the limiter 24/7, only problem is the laws here seem to treat speeding worse than most other things.

I'm happy with a short ban, in a way preferring it to points - I'm only attempting to delay it to post flat refurb but ideally to the week before holiday - have a spare photocard to get by abroad.


Edited by kiethton on Monday 11th July 15:20

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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kiethton said:
I'm not a habitual speeder, this is somewhat of a one-off,
AND

kiethton said:
Did have the cruise control on @95 but accelerated briefly past it when resetting after coming behind a car...............cruise a great deal faster on the continent
kiethton said:
only problem is the laws here seem to treat speeding worse than most other things.
Yet you still break the law.

kiethton said:
have a spare photocard to get by abroad.
Am I right in thinking that's also illegal? You're hardly the saint you consider yourself to be.

kiethton

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13,883 posts

179 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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Rovinghawk said:
kiethton said:
I'm not a habitual speeder, this is somewhat of a one-off,
AND

kiethton said:
Did have the cruise control on @95 but accelerated briefly past it when resetting after coming behind a car...............cruise a great deal faster on the continent
kiethton said:
only problem is the laws here seem to treat speeding worse than most other things.
Yet you still break the law.

kiethton said:
have a spare photocard to get by abroad.
Am I right in thinking that's also illegal? You're hardly the saint you consider yourself to be.
Spare photocard issued by another country so all ok

I wasn't being specific, should have added "material" to the above, respect all 30's hence this being the first issue.


Retroman

961 posts

132 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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To be fair the OP accepts he's broken the law, and isn't disputing the offence or punishment but is just looking to mitigate the punishment as much as possible using various loopholes.

100+ might feel dangerous in your average car that most of us drive, but for a lot of supercars (i have no idea what the OP drives) then it's not always as dangerous as most people think.

Not saying that i don't think he should be punished but he's came here for advice, not to be roasted.

SS2.

14,455 posts

237 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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Retroman said:
Not saying that i don't think he should be punished but he's came here for advice, not to be roasted.
It's become the PH norm, it seems.

scubadude

2,618 posts

196 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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kiethton said:
only problem is the laws here seem to treat speeding worse than most other things.
Do you know why? Because it is cut and dried.

Driving without due care is a judgement call for an Officer, Reckless Endangerment- judgement etc...

109 in a 70? Laser, Radar or paced = Black and White law breaker, cannot be denied.
Its made worse by the fact you have the Speedometer 2ft in front of your face... How can you not know you are 55% over the limit? Either you are Drunk/Drugged or Stupid, you don't accidentally go that fast.

If you break a rather obtuse unknown law by accident- Mowing in the Nude after 8pm in Hammersmith? You could be excused as unfortunate... Everyone knows the NSL is 70mph, so you are a full on chump for trying to dodge it or suggesting its unfairly punished.

Just MTFU and take the pain then do max 80mph like everyone else and the Fuzz will ignore you.

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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kiethton said:
I'm not a habitual speeder, this is somewhat of a one-off, even the GF drives faster. I've only once been done here for speeding - 78pmh on the motorway in '09/'10 so hardly prolific.

That section is perfectly good for the speed, especially when the road is empty and weather conditions are good. The car is also more than capable and was built to sit at the limiter 24/7, only problem is the laws here seem to treat speeding worse than most other things.

I'm happy with a short ban, in a way preferring it to points - I'm only attempting to delay it to post flat refurb but ideally to the week before holiday - have a spare photocard to get by abroad.


Edited by kiethton on Monday 11th July 15:20
Your latest emission is just confirming that you don't know what you don't know when it comes to be being a responsible driver; rather than an unconsciously incompetent Steering Wheel Operative with sense of self entitlement / self exceptionalism .

kiethton

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13,883 posts

179 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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At no stage have I said that I wasn't guilty or that I was trying to get out of it, more that it was a momentary slip whose consequences have come at a time that will cause more than just inconvenience. I had previously been going within the FPN threshold, why i didn't just put CC back on who knows, would have swallowed the 3 points without issue.

All I have asked advice on is delaying the inevitable until a better time and minimising the consequences of the end result.

Please for those saying that conditions weren't great they were; there was little traffic there were 3/4 lanes to use, was driving an impeccably maintained (MOT & full service the week before coupled with new tyres) ~300bhp exec car well within both my own and the car's limits. To say it was dangerous on speed alone is false.

As said previously in the thread, the last fine i received for speeding was ~£20 paid at the roadside for a worse %age, I accepted that as it was proportional (well not really) to the issue, in this case what will amount to a £200-£1200 fine dependent on how I swing my earnings is completely out of proportion. I sped, so be it but am well within my rights to do my up-most to limit the consequences.


Biker 1

7,694 posts

118 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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109 on the M25? Mid afternoon?? 'Not much traffic' between J7 & 9? Surely this is a wind up!! If memory serves, this is between Reigate Hill & the downhill concrete section after the A217. I have only seen this section clear-ish late at night, for a start. Usually, lorries crawl up the hill in lanes 1 & 2; other drivers then swerve out to lanes 3 & then 4, with much panic braking/slowing etc., with the massive potential for a pile-up. IMHO this is one of the most dangerous parts of the M25, especially when you have just joined from M23....
Anyway, not much sympathy for OP, especially about the pick & mix 'choice' of ban v points & time scales. I'm no angel, but there are places when you can get away with this kind of st, & places where its simply fking stupid....

kiethton

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13,883 posts

179 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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Opposite direction, was heading back to Kent. It was just after midday on a Saturday/Sunday in February, its regularly quiet - was quieter than the streetmaps image

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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Biker 1 said:
109 on the M25? Mid afternoon?? 'Not much traffic' between J7 & 9? Surely this is a wind up!! If memory serves, this is between Reigate Hill & the downhill concrete section after the A217. I have only seen this section clear-ish late at night, for a start. Usually, lorries crawl up the hill in lanes 1 & 2; other drivers then swerve out to lanes 3 & then 4, with much panic braking/slowing etc., with the massive potential for a pile-up. IMHO this is one of the most dangerous parts of the M25, especially when you have just joined from M23....
Anyway, not much sympathy for OP, especially about the pick & mix 'choice' of ban v points & time scales. I'm no angel, but there are places when you can get away with this kind of st, & places where its simply fking stupid....
exactly

also 'impecably maintained' and 'within the driver's limits ' are interestign statements should they have to be tested in court against the 'ordinary man professing to hold that special skill' ...

I strongly suspect the OP doesn't have a Standard response qualification nevermind an advanced emergency driver qualification ...

hora

37,010 posts

210 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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I'm no saint like everyone but I'd keep it quiet if I was caught in your circumstances OP. I wouldn't have posted that. Or you could plead that you meant to stamp on the brakes but you hit the accelerator by accident.

'Speed matters'. Ask a traffic officer that after the constant crashes and injuries that he/she witnesses daily.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Monday 11th July 2016
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kiethton said:
it was a momentary slip
The 109mph or setting the CC at 95mph? smile

kiethton said:
whose consequences have come at a time that will cause more than just inconvenience.
Tough titty.

kiethton said:
I had previously been going within the FPN threshold
So what? There might even have been times in the past where you were driving at legal speeds.

kiethton said:
was driving........well within both my own and the car's limits.
But outwith the legal limit.

kiethton said:
To say it was dangerous on speed alone is false.
That's possibly why you haven't been summonsed for dangerous driving, just for driving too fast.