Overgrown verges

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jaf01uk

1,943 posts

196 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
Rovinghawk said:
TooMany2cvs said:
where would you spend £20-odd billion less?
Pakistan's nuclear weapons program. India's nuclear weapons program. India's space program.
Lovely, an' all. But the UK government doesn't fund those.

Rovinghawk said:
Waste in the NHS.
Over 20% of the NHS budget's waste? Really...?

Rovinghawk said:
Waste in the rest of the public sector. Benefits for those who could work but can't be bothered. Motability payments for those who are taking the proverbial. EU payments to subsidise PIIGS.

I presume that those inconvenienced by any cuts here have greater influence than motorists.
Perhaps you've missed the last six years of "austerity"? Damn near every bit of fat and waste has already been trimmed.
Trident!! whistle

terry tibbs

2,196 posts

221 months

Saturday 23rd July 2016
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austerity

the government still spends £120B hardly austerity

hedges

complain under Section 154 of the Highways Act 1980

grumpy52

5,579 posts

166 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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I have recently complained about the hedges and overhanging trees at a local junction .
It was done online via the County Council web site cecause it is not a major road or motorway .
It is being cut in 3weeks time .
I also complained about the set out of junction. I was informed that until there had been three injury RTA's at the junction they wouldn't even view the junction .
It is always a problem trying to find who is responsible for roads that aren't major routes.
Local or County Council or Highways England .
Fatalities where the condition of the road or its surroundings, profile, set out or furniture are found to have contributed get investigation a good deal quicker .

coppice

8,605 posts

144 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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It shouldn't be too difficult; Highways England are responsible for major roads- Mways and major A roads. If you have a CC(not everywhere does- most conurbations have a single authority rather than county and district councils ) they are the authority for all other roads in your area. If you are stuck pm me - I used to work as a logov lawyer.

grumpy52

5,579 posts

166 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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coppice said:
It shouldn't be too difficult; Highways England are responsible for major roads- Mways and major A roads. If you have a CC(not everywhere does- most conurbations have a single authority rather than county and district councils ) they are the authority for all other roads in your area. If you are stuck pm me - I used to work as a logov lawyer.
Dear Coppice ,is it standard for the controlling authority to deny everything if their lack of maintenance or repair causes a problem?

grumpy52

5,579 posts

166 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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coppice said:
It shouldn't be too difficult; Highways England are responsible for major roads- Mways and major A roads. If you have a CC(not everywhere does- most conurbations have a single authority rather than county and district councils ) they are the authority for all other roads in your area. If you are stuck pm me - I used to work as a logov lawyer.
Dear Coppice ,is it standard for the controlling authority to deny everything if their lack of maintenance or repair causes a problem?

Marcellus

7,119 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Doesn't it depends on who actually owns the verge as to who is liable to cut it?

In my old village, we used to get complaints like this and residents were surprised that the parish were responsble for some, the county for others amd land owners other..

coppice

8,605 posts

144 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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grumpy52 said:
Dear Coppice ,is it standard for the controlling authority to deny everything if their lack of maintenance or repair causes a problem?
What exactly are they denying and what have you asked? Often useful to speak to your local county councillor - details should be on CC website. If a claim is likely(eg for damage ) then matter may be referred to CC's insurer of course- they would have conduct of claim .

Fastpedeller

3,872 posts

146 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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coppice said:
What exactly are they denying and what have you asked? Often useful to speak to your local county councillor - details should be on CC website. If a claim is likely(eg for damage ) then matter may be referred to CC's insurer of course- they would have conduct of claim .
Quality sidestepping of the question there - expect no less!

grumpy52

5,579 posts

166 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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A young lady driver hit some standing water late at night and aquaplaned into an oncoming car .
I know the spot very well as it's on my way to work ,it's difficult to spot the hazard as it's on an unlit stretch of road in the shadow of a bridge and covered by overhanging trees .It until very recently flooded every time it rained, it did have temporary warning signs on the verge in each direction.
Her accident resulted in solicitors being involved ,on contacting the local authority they had denied any problem with the road .
The warning signs had disappeared at the time of the accident, the road for some reason no longer floods .
The warning signs had been in place for about 5 years and the water could be up to 300mm deep at its worst .
I suggested that they ask to see the work records for the local lengthsmen .
This certainly stirred things up .

coppice

8,605 posts

144 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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You'll be lucky to find a lengthman in 21Century.. Try a Freedom of Information request re road maintenance over last 5 years , reported incidents and responsive work to the same .When you get it PM me as I can probably give you a steer.

Not sidestepping ion my last post BTW - just trying to get an informed picture .......

grumpy52

5,579 posts

166 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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It's strange you mention it about finding a lengthsman as my posts are about an incident from last year and I hadn't seen the term used for a long time and had seen an older CC truck with it in faded letters on the tailgate.
As far as I know the matter was resolved .
It is strange that any problems locally only get fast reactions when litigation is imminent or threatened.

sparkythecat

7,902 posts

255 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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coppice said:
You'll be lucky to find a lengthman in 21Century.......
Lengthsmen are actually making a significant comeback. In recent years, County Councils have been devolving some of their statutory maintenance liabilities to Parish Councils and providing some funding for lengthsmen. Just Google Parish Lengthsman Scheme and you'll see that Lengthsmen are working all over the country.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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coppice said:
You'll be lucky to find a lengthman in 21Century.
Nah - easy. Peter lives three doors away. He's lengthsman for this village and about three or four other local ones.

coppice

8,605 posts

144 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Damn me- I retire in 2012 and the past makes a comeback....

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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coppice said:
Damn me- I retire in 2012 and the past makes a comeback....
It's not going to be here for much longer...

This year, the county council pays the parish council £120/km to maintain the lanes.
Next year, the county will be paying £30, so long as the parish pays £60.
The year after, the county won't pay a penny...

But, yes, responsibility for those lanes will stay with the parish...

mattyc69

Original Poster:

330 posts

152 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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The verges have been cut!!!!

Got an e-mail from the council on Friday to say they had been and looked and realised how dangerous the situation had become and the issue would be addressed asap.

Driving to work this morning and they have all been done!

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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coppice said:
It shouldn't be too difficult; Highways England are responsible for major roads- Mways and major A roads. If you have a CC(not everywhere does- most conurbations have a single authority rather than county and district councils ) they are the authority for all other roads in your area. If you are stuck pm me - I used to work as a logov lawyer.
This may help with one bit.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/roads-m...

Our local council has this
http://online.cheshireeast.gov.uk/AHGAZETTEERONLIN...

http://www.cheshireeast.gov.uk/highways_and_roads/...

Other council areas should have something similar why the LGA cannot get a standard system across this and planning astounds me but I suppose the confusion across areas helps to blur the the lines of accountability and responsibility.
grumpy52 said:
Dear Coppice ,is it standard for the controlling authority to deny everything if their lack of maintenance or repair causes a problem?
I would say yes as many don't know what they own or are supposed to maintain,