I'm guessing the answers no?Limit to tenants in 2 bed flat?

[robbocop33]

I'm guessing from the stories you hear of landlords filling their flats full of immigrants,but is their a legal limit to how many people can stay in a two bed flat?or is it down to the landlord's/estate agent on their behalf's discretion?
5 hippo sized adults and three dogs.

[Lopey]

A lot will depend on the relationship between tenants as this could take you into HMO territory.

[TooMany2cvs]

robbocop33 said:

but is their a legal limit to how many people can stay in a two bed flat? or is it down to the landlord's/estate agent on their behalf's discretion?
5 hippo sized adults and three dogs.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/repairs_a...
The fact they're "hippo-sized" is irrelevant, as are the dogs.

If there's two couples and one single, and two bedrooms and a living room, that's acceptable.
If there's about 30m2 or more, that's acceptable.

Edited by TooMany2cvs on Tuesday 19th July 10:31

[FrankAbagnale]

It depends on the make up of the individuals - if the people living in the house are not related it may be a House of Multiple Occupancy. If it is a "HMO" there needs to be certain requirements met by the landlord and a HMO licence issued to make the arrangement legal.

If it is not a HMO, i.e one family who are all related and sharing two bedrooms I don't think there is any restriction although will check with my lettings team later.

So, the question you would need to answer to find out if it is legal falls on the side of a HMO and whether the landlord has the necessarily permissions if it is.

Simple explanation here -

https://www.gov.uk/private-renting/houses-in-multi...

[FrankAbagnale]

TooMany2cvs said:

robbocop33 said:

but is their a legal limit to how many people can stay in a two bed flat? or is it down to the landlord's/estate agent on their behalf's discretion?
5 hippo sized adults and three dogs.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/repairs_and_bad_conditions/common_problems/overcrowding
The fact they're "hippo-sized" is irrelevant, as are the dogs.

If there's two couples and one single, and two bedrooms and a living room, that's acceptable.
If there's about 30m2 or more, that's acceptable.

You may know better than I do without checking, but does that apply to privately rented (non HMO) as well as social/HMO?

Edited by FrankAbagnale on Tuesday 19th July 10:31

[robbocop33]

TooMany2cvs said:

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/repairs_a...
The fact they're "hippo-sized" is irrelevant, as are the dogs.

There speaks a man who has never stayed below hippos! ;-)
There's a couple and three seperate related adults,and their little yapping mutts.

[FrankAbagnale]

robbocop33 said:

TooMany2cvs said:

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/repairs_a...
The fact they're "hippo-sized" is irrelevant, as are the dogs.

There speaks a man who has never stayed below hippos! ;-)
There's a couple and three seperate related adults,and their little yapping mutts.

So if the couple and the other three adults are not related, then that is two households. When you say three seperate related adults, I don't know if you mean related to the couple or to each other.

If they then share facilities the property should have a HMO licence. I'd start with a call to your local council.

[TooMany2cvs]

FrankAbagnale said:

but does that apply to privately rented as well as social?

Yes.

[FrankAbagnale]

TooMany2cvs said:

FrankAbagnale said:

but does that apply to privately rented as well as social?

Yes.

Interesting. It's not something that we come across where our offices are located but it makes sense that a family of 10 can't rent a 2 bed flat privately.

[ikarl]

so a fat couple, their 3 fat kids (over 16) and their pets (that I don't think are fat, but clarity required)?

[Rovinghawk]

Apart from HMO queries I'd also be looking into the question of subletting.

[FrankAbagnale]

Failing that you can't even hammer sausages in to their lawn as I assume it's communal?

[Rangeroverover]

As an example if you let a 2 bed house and they use the dining room as bed 3 it becomes an HMO

HMO licences are dealt with by your council Environmental Health Dept
HMO use I.e can it be an HMO by the planning dept

strangely you can get an HMO licence on a property that doesn't have planning for HMO use from the EH dept as they are not joined up